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Bishop said:
I'm giving them both the scope to become that guy but until either actually does it for England I'm holding off giving them the tag as being England saviour.
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Nobody is talking about them being the saviour, just square pegs for square holes. And why pick them in the squad if there is no chance of them playing unless 15 other players get injured? Might as well have brought the extra left back and Henderson instead.
 
DubSpur said:
Nobody is talking about them being the saviour, just square pegs for square holes. And why pick them in the squad if there is no chance of them playing unless 15 other players get injured? Might as well have brought the extra left back and Henderson instead.
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Dude you're talking about Southgate. He's selections having always been a little strange.
 
DubSpur said:
Nobody is talking about them being the saviour, just square pegs for square holes. And why pick them in the squad if there is no chance of them playing unless 15 other players get injured? Might as well have brought the extra left back and Henderson instead.
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That would have meant him picking a balanced squad
He bottled what was needed to pick his favourites and then make some of them look poor playing out of position
 
Bedfordspurs said:
That would have meant him picking a balanced squad
He bottled what was needed to pick his favourites and then make some of them look poor playing out of position
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If he was playing favourites Henderson and Sterling would have been in the squad.

They are no worse now than they were when he took over.
 
braineclipse said:
If only England had players playing at the highest level like Austria. Germany play a left back from Stuttgart. If only they had someone from a bigger club they could play out of position at left back instead. Argentina at the World Cup etc etc etc.

It's very rare that even the big teams have only big name players at big clubs in the team. France are playing Rabiot, I wouldn't want us to sign him on a free on the wages of an academy player, but it works for France. Even though they're leaving a "better" player and bigger name playing for a bigger club on the bench.
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The Stuttgart that finished 2nd above Bayern Munich?

England have players with minutes from mid table brick like United, Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Palace, West Ham and Everton.
 
Bishop said:
I'm giving them both the scope to become that guy but until either actually does it for England I'm holding off giving them the tag as being England saviour.
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It has happened before. 1986 Lineker and Beardsley emerged very late to come in for Hateley and Woodrooster. The same happened in 1990 with Gazza and Platt for Robson and Webb. Young players being given a chance at a tournament as a last throw of the dice when the established players were not doing it, and massively succeeding
 
Sounding like only one change with Mainoo in for Gallagher
Unreal if that is the case, Southgate is nothing but stubborn
 
Gutter Boy said:
It has happened before. 1986 Lineker and Beardsley emerged very late to come in for Hateley and Woodrooster. The same happened in 1990 with Gazza and Platt for Robson and Webb. Young players being given a chance at a tournament as a last throw of the dice when the established players were not doing it, and massively succeeding
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I'm not doubting either of them tbh, it's just I don't want to unduly put so much pressure by expecting either to be the fix to a massive problem. It feels a little like there's an expectation that if Wharton or Mainoo are selected all will be well with the England team and I think that's probably untrue and a lot of pressure on either young shoulders. Hence me sort of seeing it like, give them the chance and if they do match the perceived potential then great but let's not put all the hope on them to be the ultimate fix. It might not work out that way.
 
Bishop said:
I'm not doubting either of them tbh, it's just I don't want to unduly put so much pressure by expecting either to be the fix to a massive problem. It feels a little like there's an expectation that if Wharton or Mainoo are selected all will be well with the England team and I think that's probably untrue and a lot of pressure on either young shoulders. Hence me sort of seeing it like, give them the chance and if they do match the perceived potential then great but let's not put all the hope on them to be the ultimate fix. It might not work out that way.
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It won't be a total fix, just a fix for midfield and getting the ball forward. The balance of the forward players need to be sorted too.
For me Bellingham should be dropped and Foden playing behind Kane. Could make an arguement for the other way around too, but it's not working with both playing.
 
DubSpur said:
It won't be a total fix, just a fix for midfield and getting the ball forward. The balance of the forward players need to be sorted too.
For me Bellingham should be dropped and Foden playing behind Kane. Could make an arguement for the other way around too, but it's not working with both playing.
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The more I think about it, I’m not sure you can have Bellingham and Foden in the same team as Bellingham excels playing the number 10 which is where Foden also happens to play best. But England being England we try and shoehorn everyone into the team even if it leaves the team unbalanced. Wouldn’t surprise me if Saka plays left back tomorrow and Palmer plays right wing when Saka should just be dropped for Palmer like for like.
 
Exactly what have we been doing well and what continuity do we have, the bloke is an idiot

Gareth Southgate wary of England changes and 'losing continuity' ahead of Slovakia last-16 clash​

Gareth Southgate on avoiding making wholesale changes to England team vs Slovakia in Euro 2024 last 16: "You've got to be very careful not to throw everything out the window, lose things you're doing well and lose continuity and the confidence that comes from players playing together"
 
Gutter Boy said:
It has happened before. 1986 Lineker and Beardsley emerged very late to come in for Hateley and Woodrooster. The same happened in 1990 with Gazza and Platt for Robson and Webb. Young players being given a chance at a tournament as a last throw of the dice when the established players were not doing it, and massively succeeding
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Robson was injured early in the Tournament if I remember rightly. It was my first real time of watching any football on tv with any caring for what happened. Must have been a concern for the majority of football public watching them both come in but Platt and Gascoigne were hugely influential.

This time around I honestly think that there’s a much higher level of apathy. Very few that I know are actively excited ahead of tonight’s England match.
 
El Guepardo said:
Robson was injured early in the Tournament if I remember rightly. It was my first real time of watching any football on tv with any caring for what happened. Must have been a concern for the majority of football public watching them both come in but Platt and Gascoigne were hugely influential.

This time around I honestly think that there’s a much higher level of apathy. Very few that I know are actively excited ahead of tonight’s England match.
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I think it’s been obvious for some time that the level of international football has fallen far behind the domestic game, it was inevitable interest would die off.
 
Drove for two hours from Oxfordshire home this morning; m40, m4, m3, m25 etc - just one car had an England flag.

This team are not under any pressure at all.
 
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