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Allan Nielsen
Andoni Goikoetxea Olaskoaga in his prime... one for the older gits on the board!
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I liked Erik Lamela before it was cool
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Baleforce
Les Bennett
Its what you get when referees are allowed to apply “common sense”, had it been 0-0, 11 on 11 and 80 mins in he would definitely have walked.
It’s why common sense refereeing is a terrible idea.
Shaw might score a game winning goal in their next game, 2 points that matter at the end of the season.
spurspinter1
Pat van den Hauwe
Yeah, I just don't get it. All the other stuff is so underhand and nuanced that it can be difficult for the ref to pick thru correctly, YET presented with something that is plain sight butchery. 400% not interested in the ball. Plainly done just because he's a bad loser. Not retaliatory in anyway. Premeditated. Definite potential to cause injury. A violent act.
Yep a yellow card
100%.
This is where I take off the Spurs hat and ponder more on where the sport is as a whole. There's a lot of nuance in the Lamela situation but could've gone a number of ways. Bailey stamp whilst indefensible was on a slightly lower level but this challenge above all really rankles.
How given that everything is recorded literally by cameras has there not been a swift and just punishment to Shaw?
As you mention mate it had nothing to do with the game. If anything, Shaw not being suspended is bad for Utd but you'd put the whole team in that boat at the minute.
Spent a bit of time catching up on redcafe, it's been years but it was worth it. Pure poetry from those moany clams. The irony of Utd fans getting so upset about Lamela's antics, get that brick straight in to my veins
@AdamB Yeah it's a fair observation, I just think it's a worrying precedent because the ref shouldn't be allowed to shout "prison rules!!!!" and people just start wailing on each other...I'm of the opinion that the game should be kept to certain standards and whilst a few digs on Chelsea players is fine, winning the game would have been much more productive.
spurspinter1
Pat van den Hauwe
MKSpur
Christian Ziege
I don’t like play acting or exaggerating contact. But there’s no reason for us to play by a different set of rules to everyone else. There was a shirt pull against the Goons that arguably would have resulted in a red card if he’s gone down and VaR reviews.
the Shaw one just doesn’t have any argument, he’s not even looking at Moura and chops him down from behind in full flight. Those are the tackles that usually result in a chinning or a massive reaction at lower levels as they are so dangerous and cowardly. Yet again how can we be poring for 5 minutes over an office decision or someone booting the ball against someone’s hand and not take action on this, ditto things like Alli’s ‘punch’ being retrospectively reviewed but as the ref saw this I don’t think they can do anything else? I’d like to see the ref asked for the basis of his decision and and given the opportunity to review it post game, as it was an act of violent conduct. It’s not like he let the penalty appeal after 30 seconds go because it was too early (which I actually was expecting!) so the scoreline should not make any difference to the reasoning here. The same could be said about a couple of incidents in the Chelsea game we drew a couple of years back of course.
the Shaw one just doesn’t have any argument, he’s not even looking at Moura and chops him down from behind in full flight. Those are the tackles that usually result in a chinning or a massive reaction at lower levels as they are so dangerous and cowardly. Yet again how can we be poring for 5 minutes over an office decision or someone booting the ball against someone’s hand and not take action on this, ditto things like Alli’s ‘punch’ being retrospectively reviewed but as the ref saw this I don’t think they can do anything else? I’d like to see the ref asked for the basis of his decision and and given the opportunity to review it post game, as it was an act of violent conduct. It’s not like he let the penalty appeal after 30 seconds go because it was too early (which I actually was expecting!) so the scoreline should not make any difference to the reasoning here. The same could be said about a couple of incidents in the Chelsea game we drew a couple of years back of course.
400%.
This is where I take off the Spurs hat and ponder more on where the sport is as a whole. There's a lot of nuance in the Lamela situation but could've gone a number of ways. Bailey stamp whilst indefensible was on a slightly lower level but this challenge above all really rankles.
How given that everything is recorded literally by cameras has there not been a swift and just punishment to Shaw?
As you mention mate it had nothing to do with the game. If anything, Shaw not being suspended is bad for Utd but you'd put the whole team in that boat at the minute.
Spent a bit of time catching up on redcafe, it's been years but it was worth it. Pure poetry from those moany clams. The irony of Utd fans getting so upset about Lamela's antics, get that brick straight in to my veins
@AdamB Yeah it's a fair observation, I just think it's a worrying precedent because the ref shouldn't be allowed to shout "prison rules!!!!" and people just start wailing on each other...I'm of the opinion that the game should be kept to certain standards and whilst a few digs on Chelsea players is fine, winning the game would have been much more productive.
Mate, because it's United ..
So fudging sick of our fans (no dig at you), this is not opinion, or Spurs tinted view of the world
- Retired refs have admitted that they would not give certain 50/50 calls against united (since SAF)
- United statistically gets more penalties and more VAR calls than any other club, that is a fudging fact, over multiple seasons
Why? look at the coverage, hours of fudging coverage last night, all about united, maybe 30 seconds of "well Spurs played well"
- Even fudging Spurs fans are saying "Martial was hard done by" or "if it was one red card, it was two" fudging really? -> a push off in the box vs. a retaliation slap in the face?
- When untied gets a call against a lower team, nobody says fudge all, Fernandes is going to score a record number of penalties in the PL in two seasons .. nothing
- United get a man deservedly sent off -> it's the evil latin players and the ref's fault ..
If you don't think that hasn't and doesn't play into ref's minds every single time they think about carding a United player, or not giving them a call .. it's human nature
lurker of old
Ramon Vega
As a rule I hate it when players collapse after a minimal touch, but we have been shafted so thoroughly at Man U over the years, that it is hilarious to get one over them. Of course I would be prouder if we had beaten them with 11 on each side, but sod it. Our players have been sent off for virtually nothing, about time it was evened up. Top 4 looks well and truly on this season, but it's early days....
fernadez
Jermaine Jenas
There is no point in rules or respect if nobody keeps to the rules or the rules are not enforced objectively, which is the case.
I'm happy to play by the rules if referees and the FA enforce them indiscriminately and fairly no matter the teams standing. They don't. Champions League Final we played by the rules got a penalty given against us, then got told it shouldn't have been given and the rule would be alerted, lot of good that was to us.
As long as we're not going out to injure players, I'm looking for 3 points in every game whatever it takes. Being a victim doesn't work, you have to stand up for yourself eventually.
glasgowspur
Andy Thompson
Not getting the credit he deserves from the media because of the red card.
DeanoAustin
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Was there as much furore about Rudiger's antics against us last season? Because that was as bad if not worse. Genuine question because I didn't see the post match coverage.
Sky were a disgrace yesterday like you say. Didn't mention us really. Didn't even show an interview with Jose. If we'd been stuffed 6-1, you can bet they'd have shown the interview with him. I also think it's wrong to have Neville and Evra on that game and Carragher on the Liverpool game. There is no chance of them being anything other than biased.
No the narrative was it was Son being stupid ...
Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
There wasn't at all, but then it did get somewhat overshadowed by the racism allegations.
MKSpur
Christian Ziege
Don’t recall Souness making a comment about either players nationality or race being a factor in their actions either...
DeanoAustin
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Fair point. On the Pogba penalty last season, there was very little furore about the fact that Pogba went down so easily. It was probably a pen but Dier didn't do enough to put him down. Yesterday, Martial's was a red card but Lamela certainly drew it and completely overplayed it. Same principle for me yet Lamela gets a lot of brick and Pogba got very little, the focus was on Dier and Winks as I recall.
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
It’s not the sort of thing that deserves credit. It’s clever play but you don’t want to encourage that kind of behaviour. It’s not a great advert for the game when players feign injury like that. It is what it is and I have no sympathy for United and I’m glad we benefitted from it but I really don’t think it’s something that deserves praise or celebration. Makes me feel uneasy as I hate it when other teams do it to us.
Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
There are different scales in play.
Exaggerating to get a penalty = OK as it was penalty vs exaggerating to get someone red carded = not OK even though it was a red card.
Of course neither should need to be exaggerated.
glasgowspur
Andy Thompson
Doesn't mean you airbrush his contribution, which was considerable, out of the reports.
Diamond Lights
Alan Hutton
Lot of people saying Lamela should be embarrased and it's not right etc.
I can tell you one thing, Jose would have walked over to Lamela in the dressing room at full time, patted his head and given that ol' Jose wink saying good lad. I want to win, i want spurs to win and be successful.
"You need to be clams. Not stupid clams. Intelligent clams".
I can tell you one thing, Jose would have walked over to Lamela in the dressing room at full time, patted his head and given that ol' Jose wink saying good lad. I want to win, i want spurs to win and be successful.
"You need to be clams. Not stupid clams. Intelligent clams".