How much will we spend it January?

[milo]

Out of interest - how long do you think he'd have to wait/achieve before earning that kind of freedom (witin our Spurs context, of course)?

Until we have a new chairman

 

[Spursalot]

Out of interest - how long do you think he'd have to wait/achieve before earning that kind of freedom (witin our Spurs context, of course)?

I'd say it would rely somewhat on the players he seems interested in purchasing. If he looks to go for the typical Levy type player, the ones who are young with potential then he'll obviously be allowed to do his own thing sooner because it'll be seen as doing the best for the club (by Levy).



I'd likely give it 4-5 years, maybe more depending on CL qualifications.

 

[braineclipse]

Out of interest - how long do you think he'd have to wait/achieve before earning that kind of freedom (witin our Spurs context, of course)?

Quite a while. Years at least, with some consistent results.

Harry got some freedom I think, he was "allowed" to sign Parker even though he was fairly old and on big wages. Crouch and Keane weren't young or cheap when signed either.

I quite like the idea that if the manager really wants someone he can go and convince the chairman (along with the scouting team/assistant/DoF/Technical Tim) that this is the right person for us at this time. Transfer strategy shouldn't be left up to just one person unless that person has proved himself properly.

Most of the time I believe we will have multiple targets that the manager (and scouts) have identified as players that would fit us and improve the team. Often it's then up to the chairman (or DoF back in the day) to see what kind of deals can be made. Then a decision is made on who would be better value for money.

There are exceptions of course, some players that we just must have if we can get them for reasonable money.

 

[braineclipse]

...And because of that I think the answer to the question in the title thread is "it depends".

I could see us spending £15m+ and I could see us having another window where we're in the green. It all depends on what player becomes available. We will very rarely pay "over the odds" for a player, if a couple of targets become available for reasonable sums then I think we will spend. If not then we will probably won't.

It's not like AVB is told now that he has £Xm to spend in January and that's it, he's going to spend it. The money we don't spend in January will be there in the summer.

 

[DHSF]

How many managers in the league do you think go off and just do their own thing?


I'd assume there are two, maybe three.


SAF, Wenger and Moyes.

I dont mean freedom as in he is let off the leash spending 100m on a player. He gives Levy a list even on the back of a fag packet (determined by a budget he has and in line with the strategy and criteria) and Levy then commences negotiations for those players. The identification process should be down to AVB - Levy is acting up as a Director of Football and really he isnt all that qualified to be one the same way a Director of Football is not qualified to be a CEO.

Like I say how much we spend really does depend on where we are come January 1st but we also said that last season and the season before. How much we spend also depends on whether those players are available now assuming the likes of Moutinho and Willian are the targets - I very much doubt they will be available in January as they are in CL and they wont leave. I dont know if those teams are knocked out or not I dont know where they are in terms of progression into the next round.

 

[Spursalot]

I dont mean freedom as in he is let off the leash spending 100m on a player. He gives Levy a list even on the back of a fag packet (determined by a budget he has and in line with the strategy and criteria) and Levy then commences negotiations for those players. The identification process should be down to AVB - Levy is acting up as a Director of Football and really he isnt all that qualified to be one the same way a Director of Football is not qualified to be a CEO.

Like I say how much we spend really does depend on where we are come January 1st but we also said that last season and the season before. How much we spend also depends on whether those players are available now assuming the likes of Moutinho and Willian are the targets - I very much doubt they will be available in January as they are in CL and they wont leave. I dont know if those teams are knocked out or not I dont know where they are in terms of progression into the next round.

I know, that is what i assumed you meant. AVB shouldn't be alone in all of these choices, as the club will be there when/if he is gone.


You say Levy is not qualified to be a DOF, well nothing has shown that AVB is either. He inherited a good squad at Porto, and the Russian makes all of the calls at Chelsea. Imo Levy has shown far more DOF qualities than AVB, which has been shown in some very astute purchases of players.



For what it's worth i don't think it is either of them making all of the calls, i'd say every transfer thus far has at least been agreed upon between the two of them.

 

[Gutter Boy]

I can see us signing Moutinho (c.£22m) and Fryers (c.£2m), and selling Hudd (c.£8m) and Dawson (c.£9m) - so a £5m net spend.

I suspect we might try and do a Leandro (£20m)-Defoe (£8m) swap too, so if that comes off then £17m net.

Any of Gomes, Bentley and Jenas leaving would generate a nominal fee too.

 

[Gutter Boy]

I dont mean freedom as in he is let off the leash spending 100m on a player. He gives Levy a list even on the back of a fag packet (determined by a budget he has and in line with the strategy and criteria) and Levy then commences negotiations for those players. The identification process should be down to AVB - Levy is acting up as a Director of Football and really he isnt all that qualified to be one the same way a Director of Football is not qualified to be a CEO.

Like I say how much we spend really does depend on where we are come January 1st but we also said that last season and the season before. How much we spend also depends on whether those players are available now assuming the likes of Moutinho and Willian are the targets - I very much doubt they will be available in January as they are in CL and they wont leave. I dont know if those teams are knocked out or not I dont know where they are in terms of progression into the next round.

In contrast, the players who are more available in January are those from Brazilian clubs (as their season is 6 months out of kilter), particular those who at clubs who have not qualified for the CL. Internacional for one are very ripe for being raided.

AVB's supposed to have a good knowledge of South America too isn't he?

 

[ArcspacE]

I suspect we might try and do a Leandro (£20m)-Defoe (£8m) swap too, so if that comes off then £17m net.

Why would we want to sell our top scorer and one of the most in-form players?

 

[DHSF]

I know, that is what i assumed you meant. AVB shouldn't be alone in all of these choices, as the club will be there when/if he is gone.


You say Levy is not qualified to be a DOF, well nothing has shown that AVB is either. He inherited a good squad at Porto, and the Russian makes all of the calls at Chelsea. Imo Levy has shown far more DOF qualities than AVB, which has been shown in some very astute purchases of players.



For what it's worth i don't think it is either of them making all of the calls, i'd say every transfer thus far has at least been agreed upon between the two of them.

AVB isnt a DoF no but he is more aware of what players he wants, players that would fit into his style and what qualities he wants in a player. He would also have more knowledge of the market, as Gutterboy mentions, in the likes of South America. I dont care about a DoF I care that for a Manager to get the best possible success he buys the players.

Unlike you I dont think AVB had agreed to some if not all the transfers thats my opinion though.

Gutter - I think it would be ludicrous to get rid of Defoe in January and in the summer too. Not sure who Fryers is but to sell Dawson when the likes of Gallas is having a shocker would be utter madness.

 

[Spursalot]

AVB isnt a DoF no but he is more aware of what players he wants, players that would fit into his style and what qualities he wants in a player. He would also have more knowledge of the market, as Gutterboy mentions, in the likes of South America. I dont care about a DoF I care that for a Manager to get the best possible success he buys the players.

Unlike you I dont think AVB had agreed to some if not all the transfers thats my opinion though.

Gutter - I think it would be ludicrous to get rid of Defoe in January and in the summer too. Not sure who Fryers is but to sell Dawson when the likes of Gallas is having a shocker would be utter madness.

The likes of South America?


Where was Sandro from again?


True, for a manager to get the greatest success he can he needs to buy the players he wants. However for the team to get the greatest success in the long term he doesn't.

 

[P.D.]

AVB did used to be a scout so I'm sure he is a decent judge of player. He also discovered Oscar who looks to be pretty handy.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Why would we want to sell our top scorer and one of the most in-form players?

Because he's in his 30s, not suited to our formation, and one purple patch doesn't excuse 12 years of mediocrity.

If Redknapp comes calling, I'm sure Levy would take anything £7m+ (but would probably wring them for eight figures).

 

[Gutter Boy]

Gutter - I think it would be ludicrous to get rid of Defoe in January and in the summer too. Not sure who Fryers is but to sell Dawson when the likes of Gallas is having a shocker would be utter madness.

Fryers is the young LB we wanted from Man U (who trained with us all summer) and that we possibly sent to Standard Liege for six-months to circumvent having to pay £6m compensation.

I guess the Dawson sale would depend on Kaboul's fitness situation.

AVB did used to be a scout so I'm sure he is a decent judge of player. He also discovered Oscar who looks to be pretty handy.

I'm sure he has a very good knowledge of world football. But he was an opposition scout (i.e. he watched upcoming opponents and reported on them), not a talent spotter per se.

 

[paxtonwolf]

Minus £2m...more money towards the Stadium fund. Cant see too many big names moving in Jan, and those that do will either be out our wage range/go to City or Chelsea

 

[DHSF]

Fryers is the young LB we wanted from Man U (who trained with us all summer) and that we possibly sent to Standard Liege for six-months to circumvent having to pay £6m compensation.

I guess the Dawson sale would depend on Kaboul's fitness situation.




I'm sure he has a very good knowledge of world football. But he was an opposition scout (i.e. he watched upcoming opponents and reported on them), not a talent spotter per se.

I totally forgot Fryers - I dont know how good he is. Think about it getting rid of Dawson when we have to play the likes of Stokes, West Spam and the other long ball merchants would be a bit mad considering we have Gallas who just seems past it and cant handle long ball merchants or quick attacking teams.

I am a believe you need two players for each position and having Daws/Kab/Caulker and Vert is sufficient.

 

[Notmegov]

About £2.99 on a roll of fax paper

 

[Gutter Boy]

I totally forgot Fryers - I dont know how good he is. Think about it getting rid of Dawson when we have to play the likes of Stokes, West Spam and the other long ball merchants would be a bit mad considering we have Gallas who just seems past it and cant handle long ball merchants or quick attacking teams.

I am a believe you need two players for each position and having Daws/Kab/Caulker and Vert is sufficient.

But Gallas has no value (likely retiring in the summer). Whereas Dawson would pay for nearly half a Moutinho.

If funds are limited I'd rather have 3.5 CBs and a ballplaying CMs, than 4 CBs and no-one who can retain possession in the middle of the park.

 

[DHSF]

But Gallas has no value (likely retiring in the summer). Whereas Dawson would pay for nearly half a Moutinho.

If funds are limited I'd rather have 3.5 CBs and a ballplaying CMs, than 4 CBs and no-one who can retain possession in the middle of the park.

Then we come back to how we spent the money last summer and whether some of it was wasted or not.

Then what happens when next summer we get rid of Gallas? We will still have to get another CB (I dont know how good Fryers is but he never seemed like a regular in this country whereas Caulker had proved it with Swansea) So essentially we would be left with 3 CBs next summer and an unknown quantity in Fryers. I would not be confident with that being sufficient.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Then we come back to how we spent the money last summer and whether some of it was wasted or not.

Then what happens when next summer we get rid of Gallas? We will still have to get another CB (I dont know how good Fryers is but he never seemed like a regular in this country whereas Caulker had proved it with Swansea) So essentially we would be left with 3 CBs next summer and an unknown quantity in Fryers. I would not be confident with that being sufficient.

No, I agree we'll need a 4th CB in the summer to replace Gallas+Dawson. I'd just be tempted to risk it for now if it was what would facilitate bringing in a CM.

Fryers is a LB. I think he can play CB, but would essentially just be cover for BAE.