Harry Redknapp: The Aftermath

[Sheikh Ma Nuggets]

Are there a lot of people saying that we should sack Harry now because of results? If so I've either missed it or interpreted what people are saying wrong.

What I see people saying is that if Harry is gong in the summer anyway it might be better for us now to get rid of him straight away. It has been seen multiple times that managers sitting on a resignation will struggle to perform for whatever reasons and I think it's a valid point. As I already stated, I don't quite agree, but the point is a good one and talking about how well Harry has done so far and so on seems to me like a straw man as it's not discussing the actual reasons for why those people would like Harry gone now.

If there are people saying that Harry should be sacked just because he's not good enough or because the results aren't good enough then I will stand corrected.

Think you're being just a tad disingenuous.

There's probably two sets of people here: i) those who want him gone, as 'he's going away' and ii) those who want him gone, as they keep harping on about this spectacular fall from 3rd. The recent results have been extremely disappointing, so I don't follow that my observation is a strawman at all.

There's also an awful lot of assumption and presumption involved here, namely that: i) the FA actually want to offer Harry the job, and ii) that Harry himself would take it. The truth behind neither is known, merely conjecture. It's speculation and that is all, yet why would you sack a manager purely because speculation surrounds him?

I actually take it as something of a complement, that Harry is linked with other jobs. It says to me, that he must be doing a pretty damn good job; after all, brick managers don't tend to be linked with high profile jobs. And he has done a good job; form is temporary, class is permanent - and the fact remains, that Harry's record in charge of Tottenham is right up there with the best of them.

If the FA want Harry Redknapp to manage England, then why make that task easier for them? If some are to say that the speculation has been such that it has derailed our season - an allegation I'm sure you'll recognise - then should it not be, that we seek to recover substantial 'compensation' in-lieu of the Champions League? That would seem a wiser course of action to me, than merely sacking Harry Redknapp - especially at this stage of the season.

 

[mick cooper]

I truly feel no gratitude towards Harry. We have a fantastic squad, objectively in the opinion on many neutrals the 3/4 best team in the country. You'd think we were Norwich the way people go on.

You feel no grattitude for

Getting us out of the brick with a team at rock bottom playing for relegation
Turning us into a team challenging for European qualification in one season
Getting us into the CL
Getting us playing champagne football that bought praise from around the world
The fact that we have a team that is genuinely a threat and plays great football

Jol touched on the feeling of success, whilst Harry hasn't won any trophies - he has produced a team capable of playing in a way that makes me proud to be a Spurs supporter again.

I'm grateful to the man, but then again I have never tried to convince myself that he's the antichrist

 

[BrainOfLevy]

And who built that squad Leeds?! Friedel, Walker, Kaboul, Gallas, Parker, Sandro, VDV, Adebayor, Kranjcar - all brought in under Harry, at an average cost of about ?ú4m. And Ekotto, Bale and Modric - all playing the best football of their career under him, the latter two having switched position under him.

Are you always such a miserable b*stard?! :lol:

So true. People need to wake up.

You know what? If we finish 5th, I'd take it on the chin. Yes it would be disappointing, but people need to realise who we actually are. The jump from 9th to 4th spoilt people something rotten. There's absolutely no reason we should be up there competing with the clubs we are competing with except because of Harry's management. Yes Jol got us 5th, but as I've said multiple times, it was a different, less competitive landscape. And I loved Jol.

We finished 9th, signed Crouch, Bassong and Kranjcar and finished 4th, when City spend 500 million. Do people actually realise what an achievement that was? Harry's success spoilt you.

We finish 5th, sign Parker and Adebayor, and are back up there competing again. Chelsea can spend 75M on a whim and we are ahead of them. Saudi Sportswashing Machine have spent more, and have a bigger stadium. We should actually, in this landscape, be around 6th every season. You have been spoilt if you think otherwise.

 

[elltrev]

So true. People need to wake up.

You know what? If we finish 5th, I'd take it on the chin. Yes it would be disappointing, but people need to realise who we actually are. The jump from 9th to 4th spoilt people something rotten. There's absolutely no reason we should be up there competing with the clubs we are competing with except because of Harry's management. Yes Jol got us 5th, but as I've said multiple times, it was a different, less competitive landscape. And I loved Jol.

We finished 9th, signed Crouch, Bassong and Kranjcar and finished 4th, when City spend 500 million. Do people actually realise what an achievement that was? Harry's success spoilt you.

We finish 5th, sign Parker and Adebayor, and are back up there competing again. Chelsea can spend 75M on a whim and we are ahead of them. Saudi Sportswashing Machine have spent more, and have a bigger stadium. We should actually, in this landscape, be around 6th every season. You have been spoilt if you think otherwise.

I also think that in most ways it's fairer to judge by the number of points, rather than position. We're currently on 59 points with 5 matches to go. We're almost sure to beat our total of last year (62), and could even beat our total of the year before that (70).

However I would say that despite Saudi Sportswashing Machine's stadium capacity, we do actually bring in more matchday revenue - ?ú1.6m per home game compared to ?ú1.2m - http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Hvgz9pw7q...rtswashing Machine+Match+Day+Revenue+2011.jpg. And with this squad, I think we should finish above them. And I think we will.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

I also think that in most ways it's fairer to judge by the number of points, rather than position. We're currently on 59 points with 5 matches to go. We're almost sure to beat our total of last year (62), and could even beat our total of the year before that (70).

However I would say that despite Saudi Sportswashing Machine's stadium capacity, we do actually bring in more matchday revenue - ?ú1.6m per home game compared to ?ú1.2m - http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Hvgz9pw7q...rtswashing Machine+Match+Day+Revenue+2011.jpg. And with this squad, I think we should finish above them. And I think we will.

Agreed. I think we should finish above Saudi Sportswashing Machine and probably will too. But that is probably where we should be competing. The reason we are ahead is good management.

 

[scaramanga]

This is (from memory) the 4th time Redknapp has publicly insulted and belittled Spurs fans, the 3rd during his stint as our manager.

Fact is, that he has no respect for our fans and ****s us off publicly whenever he gets the chance.

I fudging hate Arsenal, but if the nonce treated his fans the way Redknapp treats us I'd initially laugh, but mostly think he was being a ****.

For those who are defending his disgraceful comments, I'd be interested to hear how you felt about Ghaly and his actions. After all, he was a lot less disrespectful and immediately apologised - Redknapp is just repeating his ****y actions over an over.

 

[elltrev]

This is (from memory) the 4th time Redknapp has publicly insulted and belittled Spurs fans, the 3rd during his stint as our manager.

Fact is, that he has no respect for our fans and ****s us off publicly whenever he gets the chance.

I fudging hate Arsenal, but if the nonce treated his fans the way Redknapp treats us I'd initially laugh, but mostly think he was being a ****.

For those who are defending his disgraceful comments, I'd be interested to hear how you felt about Ghaly and his actions. After all, he was a lot less disrespectful and immediately apologised - Redknapp is just repeating his ****y actions over an over.

Just to play devil's advocate, the respect things kind of goes both ways though - you only have to look at this board to see the respect that's given to him! Maybe he's been reading the board... I personally have very little respect for a lot of the stuff that's been posted about him on here.

Equally I never blamed Ghaly either, why should he show respect when the fans were booing him for misplaced passes?

 

[mick cooper]

This is (from memory) the 4th time Redknapp has publicly insulted and belittled Spurs fans, the 3rd during his stint as our manager.

Fact is, that he has no respect for our fans and ****s us off publicly whenever he gets the chance.

I fudging hate Arsenal, but if the nonce treated his fans the way Redknapp treats us I'd initially laugh, but mostly think he was being a ****.

For those who are defending his disgraceful comments, I'd be interested to hear how you felt about Ghaly and his actions. After all, he was a lot less disrespectful and immediately apologised - Redknapp is just repeating his ****y actions over an over.

what did HR say that was inaccurate or untrue, as a matter of interest. Genuine question as I dont know what the latest furore is over

 

[Howard Webb]

can someone put the quotes up? cant be arsed with 40 pages

 

[Solaar]

can someone put the quotes up? cant be arsed with 40 pages

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7670395/

"People forget where Tottenham should be at times," Redknapp said. "They have won two Carling Cups since 1991, the average finishing position until four or five years ago was probably about 10th - our form is fantastic.
"We had a bad performance against Norwich, but other than that we played very well and just didn't get the results.
"We were in a fantastic position and ended up losing points and Arsenal have been on a great run and picked up win after win and that's what has changed.
"If we'd come from nowhere and suddenly moved into fourth, we'd all be going, 'great'. But I'd have taken this position at the start of the year for sure."

 

[Kingdawson]

Harry Redknapp overall has done a very good job imo and i will certainly be grateful but he's a classless human being if truth be told. He conducts himself in such a way that i'm simply fed up and want him out asap, and would risk taking the gamble to see if a new interim coach can guide us to 4th.

This man before the Norwich game was insisting we were in good form. He wactually said we were a team in form and used the Sunderland, Chelski and Swansea games as evidence for it. This is the same man that would bang on about 2 points from 8 games for well over a year yet decides to neglect our awful run starting at Gooners away and only brings up the last 3 :lol:

 

[billyiddo]

what did HR say that was inaccurate or untrue, as a matter of interest. Genuine question as I dont know what the latest furore is over

Mick that isn't the point and im pretty sure you know it - brainclipse made the point better than i could so id point you back to his post a page or two back if you are genuinely interested in understanding why people are tinkled off with what he has said.

it's basically him try to squirm out of the epic collapse we are in the midst off without any blame

 

[scaramanga]

what did HR say that was inaccurate or untrue, as a matter of interest. Genuine question as I dont know what the latest furore is over

You don't have to lie to be insulting. Arsene Wenger could say his fans are far and ginger, Kenny could say his fans are jobless thieves, that would be true but still show a lack of respect.

 

[Howard Webb]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7670395/

"People forget where Tottenham should be at times," Redknapp said. "They have won two Carling Cups since 1991, the average finishing position until four or five years ago was probably about 10th - our form is fantastic.
"We had a bad performance against Norwich, but other than that we played very well and just didn't get the results.
"We were in a fantastic position and ended up losing points and Arsenal have been on a great run and picked up win after win and that's what has changed.
"If we'd come from nowhere and suddenly moved into fourth, we'd all be going, 'great'. But I'd have taken this position at the start of the year for sure."

i can see from that hes trying to avoid blame by putting us as a mid table team, as if we will always be. hes trying to shift the context towards spurs being the underdog which to my mind is classic harry, and does work / has worked with the players all season.

where this idea falls down is, you cant say were the underdog when weve been so far clear its eye wateringly close to a title push.

the problem is, he changes the tune every time theres an unexpected result. he changes it from unexpected to 'expected'.

 

[DHSF]

Well Harry has a point. I mean look at the money teams around us - Liverscum, man bricky, Manure, Chelscum - all have more money than us. Arse spend more on wages than us.

SO - do you not think that maybe Harry has a point and that we are punching above our weight? Considering that all we spent in the summer is 5m plus maybe 2m loan for Ade

Lets be honest this summer you will just have the aforementioned teams buying players left right and centre - what will we be doing?

 

[Sheikh Ma Nuggets]

Well Harry has a point. I mean look at the money teams around us - Liverscum, man bricky, Manure, Chelscum - all have more money than us. Arse spend more on wages than us.

SO - do you not think that maybe Harry has a point and that we are punching above our weight? Considering that all we spent in the summer is 5m plus maybe 2m loan for Ade

Lets be honest this summer you will just have the aforementioned teams buying players left right and centre - what will we be doing?

Swooping for Lee Bowyer

 

[DHSF]

Swooping for Lee Bowyer

Wheres Lee Bowyer at? is he a free agent?

 

[indianspur]

Well Harry has a point. I mean look at the money teams around us - Liverscum, man bricky, Manure, Chelscum - all have more money than us. Arse spend more on wages than us.

SO - do you not think that maybe Harry has a point and that we are punching above our weight? Considering that all we spent in the summer is 5m plus maybe 2m loan for Ade

Lets be honest this summer you will just have the aforementioned teams buying players left right and centre - what will we be doing?

its not all about money is it

if it was then why are Norwich only 3 points off Liverpool, Swansea 4 points better off than Villa?

 

[Howard Webb]

Well Harry has a point. I mean look at the money teams around us - Liverscum, man bricky, Manure, Chelscum - all have more money than us. Arse spend more on wages than us.

SO - do you not think that maybe Harry has a point and that we are punching above our weight? Considering that all we spent in the summer is 5m plus maybe 2m loan for Ade

Lets be honest this summer you will just have the aforementioned teams buying players left right and centre - what will we be doing?

its tempting to fall into the trap of agreeing and being selective on why we might be the underdog but the fact is whatever the reason, whatever our situation might be is irrelevant if harrys results are always exactly how he intended them to be, as if theres a cosmic order to the league table. It might be true to an extent! But if hes powerless to stop needless losses to brick teams, what exactly has he been getting paid for? Its insulting to suggest he expected Norwich to win, or us to lose at arsenal 5 fudging 2 after being 2-0 up. And if we demand better, we are the idiots? Come on.

Hes having his cake and eating it. when we win, its his fault. when we lose, its cosmic order, these things happen etc.

Now it hasnt escaped me that he may be doing all this in public and doing the real talking off the pitch, playing the game with his media chums and doing the opposite in training. Thats fine. But you cant call us idiots for pulling him up on a few things!

 

[parklane1]

As i have said before, i am amazed that so many people can get bent out of shape over a manager who has never had more then his own interests at heart. If anyone really wants to know why some have never trusted him have a look at his record at other clubs. I have yet to meet a Portsmouth to Southampton supporter who has had a good word to say about him, he has never once accepted any responsibility for things that go wrong ( just when things go right), he always has a excuse and it not the first club he has managed where he has had a dig at their fans.

When he was at Pompey he called Spurs fans racists in his newspaper column without trying to understand why some of our fans were chantingat Cadball ( not racist comments) about him, he will walk and i am convinced he will do so with the more excuses. "The chairman never backed me"," the fans were delusional", "the board never listened too me", " the players would not do as i asked", "the fans NEVER backed me" " i could not bring in the players ( Cole, Neville, etc) i wanted etc etc.