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Harry Redknapp: The Aftermath
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The Moonlit Knight
Banned
Ade is stronger, faster, aerially superior and more agile than Livermore. Maybe we should play him there?
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
What is hard to accept is that you would rather use a midfield rookie instead of a quality RB.
There is no possible way that is preferable.
'Quality' RB is a mighty stretch.
Of course someone natural would be better but my initial point was focused around the fact we're not going to be relegated because Corluka left and if need be we can have someone do a decent job at RB. Hell - based on form (at the time Corulka was still around) I'd even consider Kaboul or even BAE on the right (Rose or Bale at LB) ahead of him. He was that bad
Of course someone natural would be better but my initial point was focused around the fact we're not going to be relegated because Corluka left and if need be we can have someone do a decent job at RB. Hell - based on form (at the time Corulka was still around) I'd even consider Kaboul or even BAE on the right (Rose or Bale at LB) ahead of him. He was that bad
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Youre campaign against him is laughable.
On the basis of how the squad has been managed there is no way leaving yourself with ONE RIGHT BACK, regardless of potential utility cover, is a good thing.
On the basis of how the squad has been managed there is no way leaving yourself with ONE RIGHT BACK, regardless of potential utility cover, is a good thing.
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
And there we have it. You didn't rate him, hence your lame argument. Why not just come out and say it? I'd take a 50% Corluka over Gump. I think Harry dropped the ball on that one personally.
spurspinter1
Steve Carr
Livermore has actually played RB and did a very decent job this season, why are a few getting touchy with Arcy's comments? They make sense.
Edit: His comments regarding Livermore at RB, I haven't really read the rest of the debate to be honest
Edit: His comments regarding Livermore at RB, I haven't really read the rest of the debate to be honest
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Gazza Dazzla
Chris Perry
Saudi Sportswashing Machine away we played 4-4-2 with Luka on the right, this was a really poor performance and result at the time, I remember I was fuming. We were pretty much the form side in the league and Harry decided to put Luka RM ! (Saudi Sportswashing Machine were nowhere near the side then they are looking now)
Also I thought Wigan away we played 4-3-3 with Luka part of the midifeld 3 and Bale and VDV behind Ade? I didn't watch this game, just trying to remember match reports.
Basically our poor result/performance in that period against Saudi Sportswashing Machine was due to Luka being shunted wide.
Also I thought Wigan away we played 4-3-3 with Luka part of the midifeld 3 and Bale and VDV behind Ade? I didn't watch this game, just trying to remember match reports.
Basically our poor result/performance in that period against Saudi Sportswashing Machine was due to Luka being shunted wide.
You don't rate Walker which is the exact equivalent - only more bizzare since he's actually been one of our better performers this season.
Arry wanted to keep him but Corluka wanted out in order to preserve his chances for Euro 2012 - fair enough. So he let him go reluctanly but knowing we could offer some sort of cover if Walker (surely one of the nominees for Young Player of the Year much to your disappointment) was out.
So to the orignial point of 'madness' regarding his loan - I think that is vastly exaggurated considering his form in the past 6-8 months for us (prior to his move) and available defensive players.
We out-crew Corluka the same way we did Palacios, Zokora, Malbraque, Tainio, Jenas and similar mediocre players. No offense to them but our squad quality has risen since then and hopefully do so even more this summer.
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I'd take Arry's judgement of the team regarding RIGHT BACK since we only had Walker essentially due to Corluka's abysmal form. I rather play an on-form player out of position (BAE, Kaboul) than a 'natural' clown
The only thing laughable is the romantic notion still lingering on this forum (and would mostly likely do so for a long time much like Kanuote's spirit roams these lands) of Corluka as this mighty world-class hidden gem of a RB that we intentionally crushed and kicked out of the club. Honestly.
He was on poor form.S low. Lost his place to HUTTON (!!!!) and cost us goals. He was dropped. Someone better then became available. Much better in fact. The former couldn't even make the bench for 3 months. Wanted out. Arry let him go. He won't come back. We have better now. We've moved on. Good luck to him
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
There is a lot not entirely picked up here as well.
I think much of our stuttering form started after Norwich Away when Bale had his first licence to roam free.
In most match line ups since then he will be nominally on the LW, but he certainly would have been playing there as he was prior to Norwich.
Single handed he has left Ekotto exposed and congested the midfield, leaving Modric and VDV without the out ball to release him, slowing us down as we tread on each others toes....
Just an example of why the OP isnt as complete as it could be.
Of course if it was it would be biblical and no one would get to the end...
I think much of our stuttering form started after Norwich Away when Bale had his first licence to roam free.
In most match line ups since then he will be nominally on the LW, but he certainly would have been playing there as he was prior to Norwich.
Single handed he has left Ekotto exposed and congested the midfield, leaving Modric and VDV without the out ball to release him, slowing us down as we tread on each others toes....
Just an example of why the OP isnt as complete as it could be.
Of course if it was it would be biblical and no one would get to the end...
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Wild exaggeration.
His form dropped. He was and is still a quality player.
His form dropped. He was and is still a quality player.
Interesting read
Falling down?
With Tottenham's season in real danger of suffering a complete meltdown at just the wrong time, Ben Jefferson looks at the possible reasons behind their dramatic loss in form.
By Ben Jefferson. Last Updated: April 11, 2012 11:21am
Speculation over Harry's future
Spurs fans must be laughing at the FA's assertion, made in the aftermath of Fabio Capello's resignation, that they would not make a decision about the next England manager until the summer because they didn't want to "interrupt anyone's season."
When Capello resigned on February 8 - the same day as Harry Redknapp was acquitted on charges of tax evasion - the Spurs manager immediately became the favourite to replace the Italian. Three days later Spurs beat fifth-placed Saudi Sportswashing Machine 5-0 in a joyous display that seemed to affirm Redknapp as the only and obvious choice as England's next manager, and saw them move to within five points of Manchester United, opening up a ten point gap over Arsenal in fourth.
However, since then the wheels have fallen off and Spurs have managed a paltry six points in eight games forcing Redknapp to deny any link between conjecture around his future employment and Tottenham's form. Following a 1-1 draw with Stoke in March, Redknapp called such suggestions "absolute nonsense" and insisted that his players didn't care if he was manager next season.
But with Gareth Bale, Luka Modric and others reportedly unsettled by the lack of certainty going forward, it is difficult to conclude that the speculation has not acted as just the sort of interruption the FA was hoping to avoid.
The derby
When Tottenham travelled to the Emirates Stadium on February 26 it was only the fourth time in Arsene Wenger's Arsenal career that the Gunners had gone into the North London derby below Spurs in the table.
And with 34 minutes gone it very much looked as though, as well as advancing their own title hopes, Spurs would do further damage to Arsenal's chances of making the Champions League.
But then, with the game seemingly theirs to lose, Tottenham threw it all away. Goals from Bacary Sagna and Robin van Persie saw Arsenal pull level before half-time. Harry Redknapp scrambled to stem the flow, bringing on Sandro and Rafael van der Vaart for Saha and Niko Krancjar at the break, but by that time the momentum had well and truly swung in the Gunners favour.
With Tottenham seemingly unable to shut down an open game that was increasingly benefitting Arsenal, there was a certain inevitability to the goals from Tomas Rosicky and Theo Walcott that completed a humiliating afternoon for Spurs.
Arsenal's spirit on the day was remarkable and one game rarely defines a season but the nature of the defeat to such a fierce local rival, as well as the tactical deficiencies it hinted at, severely dented the confidence of the Tottenham squad.
The FA Cup distraction
Even before Fabrice Muamba collapsed 41 minutes into the quarter-final against Bolton, the FA Cup was arguably proving to be more of a distraction than perhaps it should have been for Tottenham.
Spurs comfortably beat Cheltenham in the third round, but made relatively hard work of their fourth round tie against Watford before needing a replay, in which they lost Michael Dawson to a season-ending injury, to get past League One Stevenage.
At that time nobody could have predicted what would subsequently happen to Muamba when Tottenham met Bolton but the emotional toll events on that day had on both sets of players should not be underestimated.
Whilst Bolton responded to the loss of Muamba with stirring performances in the league against Blackburn and Wolves, relatively little attention has been given to the impact on Spurs' players, who have struggled to move forward in quite the same fashion despite eventually overcoming Bolton when the match was replayed.
Redknapp's tactics
Spurs seem to be at their best when they play with width. With Aaron Lennon wide on the right and Gareth Bale a constant threat down the left, as was often the case early in the season, Luka Modric and Rafael van der Vaart had plenty of space to work their magic in the middle of the pitch.
More recently, in Lennon's absence, Redknapp has experimented with players in unfamiliar positions with limited success. Bale may be a fantastic talent but he doesn't look half the threat roaming freely in the middle of the park as he does terrorising full-backs with his pace down the wing. Meanwhile, Luka Modric's playmaking abilities seem almost completely blunted when he plays wide on the left.
Similarly, playing Van der Vaart nominally on the right has not only limited the Dutchman's impact and goal-scoring threat, it has also left Kyle Walker cruelly exposed at times as he effectively has to mark two players.
It is clear that Lennon's injuries have been a cruel blow but you have to question the tactics of a manager who responds to the loss of one player by disorienting several others in an attempt to compensate. Quite why Redknapp did not seek a like-for-like stand-in for the oft-injured Lennon when he had the chance remains a mystery.
Fragile defence
Quite simply, Redknapp has been forced to rely on Ledley King far too often this season. Whilst the if-only-he-wasn't-hurt-so-often defender has had a relatively injury free campaign by his standards, King is beginning to show signs that there are reasons why professional footballers generally consider it beneficial to train between games.
Neither King nor his manager could have imagined that the former England international would be required to feature in 21 games for Spurs this year, with the loss through injury of other key players clearly not helping the situation.
But Redknapp has hardly helped himself in that regard. William Gallas's hamstrings are only becoming more fragile with age and another 34-year-old, Ryan Nelsen, has failed to make much of an impression after arriving on a free transfer from Blackburn, for whom he had made only one league start all season. After the seldom-used Sebastien Bassong was allowed to leave on loan, Younes Kaboul was left as Redknapp's only real option to partner King in an hardly awe-inducing defensive line.
Whilst it might have paid off with 40-year-old Brad Friedel, too often Redknapp - a kind of anti-Wenger - has contributed to his own misfortune by signing players who are either injury prone or at an age where injuries are inevitable.
Questions must be asked as to why, in addition to a stand-in for Lennon, a reliable centre back was not sought in the January window when injuries were already starting to take their toll. Certainly, a dependable defensive partner for Dawson must be a priority come the summer to ensure that King is only sporadically called on for emergencies, if at all, in future.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11675/7664883/Falling-down-
Falling down?
With Tottenham's season in real danger of suffering a complete meltdown at just the wrong time, Ben Jefferson looks at the possible reasons behind their dramatic loss in form.
By Ben Jefferson. Last Updated: April 11, 2012 11:21am
Speculation over Harry's future
Spurs fans must be laughing at the FA's assertion, made in the aftermath of Fabio Capello's resignation, that they would not make a decision about the next England manager until the summer because they didn't want to "interrupt anyone's season."
When Capello resigned on February 8 - the same day as Harry Redknapp was acquitted on charges of tax evasion - the Spurs manager immediately became the favourite to replace the Italian. Three days later Spurs beat fifth-placed Saudi Sportswashing Machine 5-0 in a joyous display that seemed to affirm Redknapp as the only and obvious choice as England's next manager, and saw them move to within five points of Manchester United, opening up a ten point gap over Arsenal in fourth.
However, since then the wheels have fallen off and Spurs have managed a paltry six points in eight games forcing Redknapp to deny any link between conjecture around his future employment and Tottenham's form. Following a 1-1 draw with Stoke in March, Redknapp called such suggestions "absolute nonsense" and insisted that his players didn't care if he was manager next season.
But with Gareth Bale, Luka Modric and others reportedly unsettled by the lack of certainty going forward, it is difficult to conclude that the speculation has not acted as just the sort of interruption the FA was hoping to avoid.
The derby
When Tottenham travelled to the Emirates Stadium on February 26 it was only the fourth time in Arsene Wenger's Arsenal career that the Gunners had gone into the North London derby below Spurs in the table.
And with 34 minutes gone it very much looked as though, as well as advancing their own title hopes, Spurs would do further damage to Arsenal's chances of making the Champions League.
But then, with the game seemingly theirs to lose, Tottenham threw it all away. Goals from Bacary Sagna and Robin van Persie saw Arsenal pull level before half-time. Harry Redknapp scrambled to stem the flow, bringing on Sandro and Rafael van der Vaart for Saha and Niko Krancjar at the break, but by that time the momentum had well and truly swung in the Gunners favour.
With Tottenham seemingly unable to shut down an open game that was increasingly benefitting Arsenal, there was a certain inevitability to the goals from Tomas Rosicky and Theo Walcott that completed a humiliating afternoon for Spurs.
Arsenal's spirit on the day was remarkable and one game rarely defines a season but the nature of the defeat to such a fierce local rival, as well as the tactical deficiencies it hinted at, severely dented the confidence of the Tottenham squad.
The FA Cup distraction
Even before Fabrice Muamba collapsed 41 minutes into the quarter-final against Bolton, the FA Cup was arguably proving to be more of a distraction than perhaps it should have been for Tottenham.
Spurs comfortably beat Cheltenham in the third round, but made relatively hard work of their fourth round tie against Watford before needing a replay, in which they lost Michael Dawson to a season-ending injury, to get past League One Stevenage.
At that time nobody could have predicted what would subsequently happen to Muamba when Tottenham met Bolton but the emotional toll events on that day had on both sets of players should not be underestimated.
Whilst Bolton responded to the loss of Muamba with stirring performances in the league against Blackburn and Wolves, relatively little attention has been given to the impact on Spurs' players, who have struggled to move forward in quite the same fashion despite eventually overcoming Bolton when the match was replayed.
Redknapp's tactics
Spurs seem to be at their best when they play with width. With Aaron Lennon wide on the right and Gareth Bale a constant threat down the left, as was often the case early in the season, Luka Modric and Rafael van der Vaart had plenty of space to work their magic in the middle of the pitch.
More recently, in Lennon's absence, Redknapp has experimented with players in unfamiliar positions with limited success. Bale may be a fantastic talent but he doesn't look half the threat roaming freely in the middle of the park as he does terrorising full-backs with his pace down the wing. Meanwhile, Luka Modric's playmaking abilities seem almost completely blunted when he plays wide on the left.
Similarly, playing Van der Vaart nominally on the right has not only limited the Dutchman's impact and goal-scoring threat, it has also left Kyle Walker cruelly exposed at times as he effectively has to mark two players.
It is clear that Lennon's injuries have been a cruel blow but you have to question the tactics of a manager who responds to the loss of one player by disorienting several others in an attempt to compensate. Quite why Redknapp did not seek a like-for-like stand-in for the oft-injured Lennon when he had the chance remains a mystery.
Fragile defence
Quite simply, Redknapp has been forced to rely on Ledley King far too often this season. Whilst the if-only-he-wasn't-hurt-so-often defender has had a relatively injury free campaign by his standards, King is beginning to show signs that there are reasons why professional footballers generally consider it beneficial to train between games.
Neither King nor his manager could have imagined that the former England international would be required to feature in 21 games for Spurs this year, with the loss through injury of other key players clearly not helping the situation.
But Redknapp has hardly helped himself in that regard. William Gallas's hamstrings are only becoming more fragile with age and another 34-year-old, Ryan Nelsen, has failed to make much of an impression after arriving on a free transfer from Blackburn, for whom he had made only one league start all season. After the seldom-used Sebastien Bassong was allowed to leave on loan, Younes Kaboul was left as Redknapp's only real option to partner King in an hardly awe-inducing defensive line.
Whilst it might have paid off with 40-year-old Brad Friedel, too often Redknapp - a kind of anti-Wenger - has contributed to his own misfortune by signing players who are either injury prone or at an age where injuries are inevitable.
Questions must be asked as to why, in addition to a stand-in for Lennon, a reliable centre back was not sought in the January window when injuries were already starting to take their toll. Certainly, a dependable defensive partner for Dawson must be a priority come the summer to ensure that King is only sporadically called on for emergencies, if at all, in future.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11675/7664883/Falling-down-
Yup I think it's a valid point, I'd like to see Bale stick to the left more often than he has been doing recently.
Because you dont get rid of the RB we achieved 4th place with to use a 20yr old CM as his long term cover going into the hardest period of the season. Walker has already had a few slatings.
One poor game at RB for Livermore, and the very same people advocating that he can a job there would be demanding he never wear the shirt again, or some sh#t.
Charlie would have allowed us options on the right when Lennon was out imo. We could have at the very least tried Walker RW at times just to open up the wings, and give us a dimension.
We may well have done that had Corluka not been loaned out....but sensibly, Harry didnt play Livermore at RB to try it.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
Absolutely brilliant original post. It just makes me wonder what has gone wrong. I don't blame Harry too much. He has done a good job.
But what has happened? If it is confidence, it's a massive shame, because I thought the Chelsea away point and Swansea win were supposed to show we were back to form, the blip was over etc. Why did it suddenly leave us again just because we didn't beat Sunderland? I thought buying these experienced players was to keep the mentality of the team strong, we have old heads that have seen it all before and are less inclined to lose confidence due to a couple of bad results. And in any case, I thought confidence was back!!!
I'm really disappointed in the players. They've let themselves fall away. They haven't been clinical and they haven't been ruthless. Norwich was one of the only times this season we have truly been outclassed and outplayed to such a degree, so I really don't blame Harry. The players have started acting small time since England started. We should have destroyed Chelsea with the chances we had. VDV was fudging 6 yards out and hit it straight at Cech. That's crap. They need to believe they deserve to be up there, and I just don't think they do. We make our own luck if we are ruthless, and we just haven't been. We have been unlucky, but the players have stopped doing what they were doing.
But what has happened? If it is confidence, it's a massive shame, because I thought the Chelsea away point and Swansea win were supposed to show we were back to form, the blip was over etc. Why did it suddenly leave us again just because we didn't beat Sunderland? I thought buying these experienced players was to keep the mentality of the team strong, we have old heads that have seen it all before and are less inclined to lose confidence due to a couple of bad results. And in any case, I thought confidence was back!!!
I'm really disappointed in the players. They've let themselves fall away. They haven't been clinical and they haven't been ruthless. Norwich was one of the only times this season we have truly been outclassed and outplayed to such a degree, so I really don't blame Harry. The players have started acting small time since England started. We should have destroyed Chelsea with the chances we had. VDV was fudging 6 yards out and hit it straight at Cech. That's crap. They need to believe they deserve to be up there, and I just don't think they do. We make our own luck if we are ruthless, and we just haven't been. We have been unlucky, but the players have stopped doing what they were doing.