Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Genuine question, are you Lamela's dad?
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Harry Kane MBE
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Genuine question, are you Lamela's dad?
tynesidespur
Terry Yorath
So you agree that its a weakness in Lamela's game?
He plays in the front 3 behind Kane. Its his responsibility to score more goals. Eriksen, Son & Alli have all at some stage scored a significant number of goals in a season for Spurs. Lamela is the odd man out and hasn't yet delivered.
SPURSphenomenon
Kevin Scott
Park Ji Sung never got over 10 goals in a season for Manchester United, but his work rate allowed the others to grab the headlines. Its unbelievable that people look purely at goals scored stats and completely ignore the rest of a players game and what they contribute.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
True
But when people talk about playing an attacker because of his defensive attributes it’s the wrong way round
We don’t play Harry Kane because he is good at defending corners
SPURSphenomenon
Kevin Scott
I think the issue is that we look at players in a formation that is presented on a screen to us at the start of a game. In reality, players like Lamela may pop up as a RW in a formation, but he's more of a RCM at times. If Lamela is shown to be playing as RCM, we would have limited expectation of him delivering goals, and would not view him as an attacker in the same way we do Eriksen, Son, Alli.
StephenH
David Ginola
This
Eriksen is No.1 in this respect.
But I also think Dele has been outstanding in this respect in 2018.
tynesidespur
Terry Yorath
Lamela often gets into positions to get a shot away and turns the opportunity down OR he fails to beat the keeper (or even test them). He must improve his goal output because actually he does get into scoring positions but fails to deliver consistently. I thought it might come last season until he got injured. Hopefully it will come this season or next. Its definitely a "next level" development for him if he wants to be in the starting XI on a regular basis.
SPURSphenomenon
Kevin Scott
Agree with this. Its in his nature to create rather than finish.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
The key word is contribute
Every player should contribute within their role
We defend from the front and attack from the back (especially when Toby plays)
We can’t carry passengers and lazy players which is why Poch got rid of anyone that fitted that style
But... players in attacking roles have to contribute to that role, by key passes, assists and goals, hence why their the stats you look at. Otherwise you may as well look at distance run, tackles made and blocks... which are defensive stats you could argue
FatBloke
Niko Kranjcar
It's interesting that we've become a team that generates 20+ shots on goal per game. Even against the mighty Juve, we managed 23. I'd have killed for that a few years back!
Unfortunately they're not all good quality chances. Kane's shoot-on-sight policy is part of that. Look at all the tiny squares in this xG map:
(from Michael Caley's excellent Twitter account)
Still can't believe that Kane missed that chance from a tight angle after taking it past Buffon.
Perhaps it's a deliberate choice by Poch and the team, given that in Son, Kane and Eriksen we have three players with decent long range shots (except on Wednesday, unfortunately). Or maybe other teams have recognised that and adopt a "defend the box" policy that allows us to shoot from distance -- in most cases, the keeper saves easily or it goes off target, hence them regaining possession.
I still believe that, most of the time, 20+ chances will win you a game of football. And some of those will be a proper thumping. But what I think we're missing are those chaos-in-the-box goals that Liverpool and Arsenal seem to have always been good at. Maybe Moura will add some of that.
Unfortunately they're not all good quality chances. Kane's shoot-on-sight policy is part of that. Look at all the tiny squares in this xG map:
(from Michael Caley's excellent Twitter account)
Still can't believe that Kane missed that chance from a tight angle after taking it past Buffon.
Perhaps it's a deliberate choice by Poch and the team, given that in Son, Kane and Eriksen we have three players with decent long range shots (except on Wednesday, unfortunately). Or maybe other teams have recognised that and adopt a "defend the box" policy that allows us to shoot from distance -- in most cases, the keeper saves easily or it goes off target, hence them regaining possession.
I still believe that, most of the time, 20+ chances will win you a game of football. And some of those will be a proper thumping. But what I think we're missing are those chaos-in-the-box goals that Liverpool and Arsenal seem to have always been good at. Maybe Moura will add some of that.
In his full seasons he and Eriksen have been our highest contributers in terms of assists key passes and chances created - goals obviously is something that he lacks but the way you talk is though he doesnt do anything other than defend from the front and work hard - that just isn't true, he has a good record in terms of creativity.
SPURSphenomenon
Kevin Scott
It's a fair point, and I think his contribution is more in way of key passes alongside the defensive side, not to say he can't and shouldn't look to improve everywhere else.
I've been saying all season that we constantly let teams off the hook, especially recently (United finished 2-0 when it could have been 4/5, Arsenal 1-0 again could have been 4/5, Palace should've been put to bed much earlier). It was only a matter of time before we were going to pay for it in the CL. Its another lesson about being clinical and seizing moments in games. I'm sure this side will learn from that and continue to develop the attitude to really kill teams.
I love our style of play, if we're not going to have a plan B, we have to make sure that the plan A works as effectively as possible. Harry (scarily), can develop more and get even more clinical, as can our other players around him.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Yes he has had a good record
But not we have teams parking the bus is he the right option?
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
It is a definite policy, we do it far too freely for it not to be.
That said, while those players are good at those shots, its not the most reliable way to score.
I think its as much about the second ball if the shot is blocked/saved/rebounded as it is scoring. Just look at the number of runners going beyond the shooter when (eg) Kane lines one up.
Also, for a team that fannies about a lot outside the box, we also like playing in transition and trying to force transitions to suit our play. How often is the a direct ball through midfield to the forward line from our defence, for example?
I think this shoot on sight policy falls into this ethos as well, shooting when not expected, trying to find defenders off balance, force confusion...
Don't know about that - can't say i have broken things down enough to see if he isn't producing in one type of fixture versus another - the post i was responding to seemed to be talking in general terms rather than specifics though.which is why i replied.
Park the bus sides make it very difficult for creative passers to unlock the defense and id be surprised if many of our goals against those types of sides come via defense splitting passes - id imagine the expectation of players like Eriksen and Lamela in these games would be more on a short passing game trying to tease the opponents out of position to create pockets of space in dangerous areas.
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Bullet
Andy Thompson
It would be nice if the long-shots were on target, forcing the keeper to save or parry it out back into traffic, with the onrushing Alli / Eriksen / Son... I hate it when a shot goes wide, it is 99.999% of the time useless, even though it looks exciting.
Whenever I played in goal I would just think "PLEASE bloot it wide, PLEASE don't make me save it"
Whenever I played in goal I would just think "PLEASE bloot it wide, PLEASE don't make me save it"
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
This doesn't make any sense, why do you keep repeating it?
Most of the teams we play park the bus.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
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glasgowspur
Luka Modric
A lot of teams did it to us under both harry and avb, maybe bit as many but a lot. That' why we were relying in bale to pull us out a hole with a wonder strike in the last 10 mins.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Did a quick check and he has 20 assists and 8 goals in the league in 101 games which looks decent