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Harry Kane MBE

Finney Is Back said:
Seriously?.... 50 goals in international football at a rate of almost a goal every 2 games. A player with a huge work rate, will to win, good skill, physicality and awareness. He's nowhere near our greatest ever player but he is still very, very, very good. Ignore the press hype and just judge the player on his actual strengths and performances and you'll see a player that you'd love to have in your team. I would absolutely love to have him at Spurs in the number 10 role behind Kane. If Kane has a career as good as Rooney's has been so far (and we manage to keep him at Spurs) then we would be very lucky indeed.
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You can only beat what is put in front of you .. but lets be clear, modern international matches are 2 years of playing against 3rd tier opposition with 3 decent games (which inevitably England draw or lose).

Rooney has consistently failed to deliver when it matters (in tournaments) for England, 29 goals in qualifying, only 6 total in all WC & Euro appearances. Add in the Lineker comparison, 48 in 80, including far more in actual tournaments ... Rooney is a decent player, sure would be happy to have him at Spurs, but he's massively overhyped.
 
Raziel said:
You can only beat what is put in front of you .. but lets be clear, modern international matches are 2 years of playing against 3rd tier opposition with 3 decent games (which inevitably England draw or lose).

Rooney has consistently failed to deliver when it matters (in tournaments) for England, 29 goals in qualifying, only 6 total in all WC & Euro appearances. Add in the Lineker comparison, 48 in 80, including far more in actual tournaments ... Rooney is a decent player, sure would be happy to have him at Spurs, but he's massively overhyped.
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Amen to that.
 
Raziel said:
You can only beat what is put in front of you .. but lets be clear, modern international matches are 2 years of playing against 3rd tier opposition with 3 decent games (which inevitably England draw or lose).

Rooney has consistently failed to deliver when it matters (in tournaments) for England, 29 goals in qualifying, only 6 total in all WC & Euro appearances. Add in the Lineker comparison, 48 in 80, including far more in actual tournaments ... Rooney is a decent player, sure would be happy to have him at Spurs, but he's massively overhyped.
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And yet there hasn't been another player over the 12 years who has been able to have the same impact that Rooney has.
 
Finney Is Back said:
And yet there hasn't been another player over the 12 years who has been able to have the same impact that Rooney has.
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What have we won with this ( so called) great player in our mist? Look at the teams he has scored his goals against take away those against the minnows ( which account for most of them) and there are not many left.

He is a good player ( no doubt) but world class my arse.
 
parklane1 said:
What have we won with this ( so called) great player in our mist? Look at the teams he has scored his goals against take away those against the minnows ( which account for most of them) and there are not many left.

He is a good player ( no doubt) but world class my arse.
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It is actually interesting to compare Rooney's England stats with the two players who have been widely regarded as the best in the World over the past several years - Ronaldo and Messi

Ronaldo 122 caps, 55 goals
Messi 104 caps, 48 goals
Rooney 107 caps, 50 goals

Very similar goal ratios (in fact Rooney's slightly better than both) and I'm sure that Portugal and Argentina have also played against their fair share of minnows.
 
Finney Is Back said:
It is actually interesting to compare Rooney's England stats with the two players who have been widely regarded as the best in the World over the past several years - Ronaldo and Messi

Ronaldo 122 caps, 55 goals
Messi 104 caps, 48 goals
Rooney 107 caps, 50 goals

Very similar goal ratios (in fact Rooney's slightly better than both) and I'm sure that Portugal and Argentina have also played against their fair share of minnows.
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In Messis case you have to account for the opposition. The south-American teams in general are of (much) higher quality than over halft of those in quali groups in Europe. There are no San Marino/Gibraltar/Luxembourg type teams in South America. They have more equal/competitive teams in the qualification games. The so called minnow teams in central/south america have a seperate quali round in which the best of them get to join the real quali groups. Diffrent to Europe, where all the thrash is thrown in with the big names.
 
Kandi1977 said:
In Messis case you have to account for the opposition. The south-American teams in general are of (much) higher quality than over halft of those in quali groups in Europe. There are no San Marino/Gibraltar/Luxembourg type teams in South America. They have more equal/competitive teams in the qualification games. The so called minnow teams in central/south america have a seperate quali round in which the best of them get to join the real quali groups. Diffrent to Europe, where all the thrash is thrown in with the big names.
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In Rooney case you also have to account for the poor England teams. I have not seen England play coherently in the last 15 years. I would grade England as a B+ tier team (at best) in international football. Rooney has done well if you look at it this way.
 
Kandi1977 said:
In Messis case you have to account for the opposition. The south-American teams in general are of (much) higher quality than over halft of those in quali groups in Europe. There are no San Marino/Gibraltar/Luxembourg type teams in South America. They have more equal/competitive teams in the qualification games. The so called minnow teams in central/south america have a seperate quali round in which the best of them get to join the real quali groups. Diffrent to Europe, where all the thrash is thrown in with the big names.
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And what about Portugal?
 
Finney Is Back said:
It is actually interesting to compare Rooney's England stats with the two players who have been widely regarded as the best in the World over the past several years - Ronaldo and Messi

Ronaldo 122 caps, 55 goals
Messi 104 caps, 48 goals
Rooney 107 caps, 50 goals

Very similar goal ratios (in fact Rooney's slightly better than both) and I'm sure that Portugal and Argentina have also played against their fair share of minnows.
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Come on mate

- the single biggest criticism of Messi has been his failure to deliver for his country, that and his one club/league career will be held against him always in rating him amongst the world's best ever.
- Portugal may have decent players, but are quite unbalanced (their poor players are quite brick) and have struggled in general over most of Ronaldo's career
- additionally both of those guys at a club level brick all over Rooney's record

The real question is what has Rooney delivered for England? what qualification was at risk without him, what tournament did England advance or avoid elimination purely due to his contribution?

As comparative example

- Gareth Bale has 53 caps, 18 goals for Wales, yet if Wales gets that 1 more point out of last two games to get to Euros (for first times since 50's), no question that in 6 months, Gareth has contributed more to Wales than Rooney ever has to England.

- Peter Crouch, 44 caps, 22 goals, I guess based on that he is better than Rooney, Bale, Messi, Ronaldo?
 
parklane1 said:
What have we won with this ( so called) great player in our mist? Look at the teams he has scored his goals against take away those against the minnows ( which account for most of them) and there are not many left.

He is a good player ( no doubt) but world class my arse.
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you need more than 1 great player to win a World Cup or European championship, all the recent winners have 5 or 6

I'm not old enough to judge but his goals look to be distributed quite comparatively with Charltons
 
WestBerkshire said:
Then levy would sell him
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Sky sports would have run 900 stories on why Kane should move to a big club.

Levy doesn't sell any player we want to keep (when the player wants to stay). Add the tv revenue, we are under very little pressure to sell.

Honestly if Kane scored 30+ again this season, based on Stones not being sold for 40M, Sterling's 49M tag? couldn't see it being less than 100M ..
 
Raziel said:
Sky sports would have run 900 stories on why Kane should move to a big club.

Levy doesn't sell any player we want to keep (when the player wants to stay). Add the tv revenue, we are under very little pressure to sell.

Honestly if Kane scored 30+ again this season, based on Stones not being sold for 40M, Sterling's 49M tag? couldn't see it being less than 100M ..
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The scary thing is that LVG will probably be given the go ahead to bid that much, in line with United's new and modest transfer policy.
 
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