Girl dies in House with "out of control Dogs"

[Jurgen the German]

A teenager has been found dead in a house in Manchester by police who were confronted by a number of "aggressive and out of control" dogs.

The body of the girl, named locally as Jade Lomas-Anderson, was found at the property in the Atherton area of the city.

Superintendent Mark Kenny, of Greater Manchester Police, said the 14-year-old suffered injuries "consistent with her having been attacked by dogs".

The youngster is believed to have been visiting the house and nobody else was present.

Armed police officers killed four dogs, while a fifth was securely contained.


A police spokesman said two of the dogs that were put down are thought to have been bull mastiffs and two may be Staffordshire bull terriers.

Supt Kenny said: "First and foremost, our thoughts are with the family of the girl who has tragically lost her life. Specialist officers are offering them every support.

"While our enquiries to find out what happened are ongoing, this girl's injuries are consistent with her having been attacked by dogs.

"I understand this is an extremely distressing incident for all concerned, including the community, and we will work hard to establish the full circumstances that lead to this tragedy.

"There will be a significant police presence in the area, which will remain this evening. We will be there to carry out an investigation and address any concerns residents may have."

Seven people, including five children, have been killed by dogs in homes since 2007, according to a report published last month by the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee.

It said the NHS spends more than £3m a year treating severe dog attack injuries and claimed current legislation had "comprehensively failed" to tackle irresponsible dog ownership.

http://news.sky.com/story/1070066/girl-dies-in-house-with-out-of-control-dogs

 

[Jurgen the German]

Don't want to cast aspersions, but doesn't it seem like it's a certain breed of dog that's always involved in these kind of incidents? "It's not the dog it's the owner" is the rheotoric whenever something like this happens. So doesn't that mean certain people should not be allowed to have animals as pets? Or maybe some dogs are just bad.

 

[Spursalot]

Don't want to cast aspersions, but doesn't it seem like it's a certain breed of dog that's always involved in these kind of incidents? "It's not the dog it's the owner" is the rheotoric whenever something like this happens. So doesn't that mean certain people should not be allowed to have animals as pets? Or maybe some dogs are just bad.

Well yes. Some types of dogs are more aggressive than others, thats pretty common knowledge. If the dog is raised properly then it will behave properly.


People take it as more of a challenge though, so people unprepared to cope with these types of dogs will buy them.


I'd go along with some people not being allowed to have animals as pets.

 

[Roy1983]

I love it when I see little ****s round my way about 4ft nothing with a fierce looking dog. Yeah real tough nut ain't ya?

Poor girl. Shoot the dogs owners too while your at it.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Well yes. Some types of dogs are more aggressive than others, thats pretty common knowledge. If the dog is raised properly then it will behave properly.


People take it as more of a challenge though, so people unprepared to cope with these types of dogs will buy them.


I'd go along with some people not being allowed to have animals as pets.

I hear what you're saying. I think some people turn out to be ****s from the result of bad parenting, but some people are just bad. The same applies for dogs in my view. It gets my goat when people always say "it's not the dog it's the owner."

 

[Park Lane James]

Don't want to cast aspersions, but doesn't it seem like it's a certain breed of dog that's always involved in these kind of incidents? "It's not the dog it's the owner" is the rheotoric whenever something like this happens. So doesn't that mean certain people should not be allowed to have animals as pets? Or maybe some dogs are just bad.

Of course - but how many attacks do you hear about Rottweilers and Alsatians? A vast amount less than Staffordshire bull terriers and the like. The first two I mentioned are extremely big, and are used by a lot of people for guarding properties - they have a bigger scare factor than any bull terrier. If such a dog was taken in by the sort of people that 'train' these other dogs to be aggressive then they will end up attacking people as well IMO. Alsatians are known for their intelligence and ability to be trained which is why they are the dog of choice for many police forces.

Anyway, as someone else said some dogs are typically more aggressive than others. When you tie this with lackadaisical and stupid owners then you create a wealth of problems.

 

[BushHillSpurs]

Similar to what PLJ has said.
When a chav wants to make a dog agressive from a puppy, they won't buy a poodle. They will get a "Fierce" breed of dog from a young age and turn it into a beast.

If you raise a Staffy/Mastiff up to be a softie, it will be a softie.

So, I disagree with you Jurgen. It is the owner that is to blame here.

 

[stinkfoot]

What an awful awful way to die.

RIP

 

[Notmegov]

I own a 4 1/2 year old lab. it has never never had any gun dog training but when i shot a wood pigeon today with a air rifle he acted on his tens if not hundreds of years of breading. He crossed the stream picked the bird up very very gently and came and returned it to me all with very little instruction.

Yes a owner will bring a dog up in a certain way but a fighting dog is still a fighting dog at heart. Just like a retriever is a retriever a spaniel is a flusher etc etc.

 

[Baleforce]

Similar to what PLJ has said.
When a chav wants to make a dog agressive from a puppy, they won't buy a poodle. They will get a "Fierce" breed of dog from a young age and turn it into a beast.

If you raise a Staffy/Mastiff up to be a softie, it will be a softie.

So, I disagree with you Jurgen. It is the owner that is to blame here.

Completely agree

 

[Gordinho]

Similar to what PLJ has said.
When a chav wants to make a dog agressive from a puppy, they won't buy a poodle. They will get a "Fierce" breed of dog from a young age and turn it into a beast.

If you raise a Staffy/Mastiff up to be a softie, it will be a softie.

So, I disagree with you Jurgen. It is the owner that is to blame here.

I agree, Staffie's had a great reputation as loving, obedient pets prior to them being adopted as the dog of choice by Brian Harvey types about 20-25 years ago, now the breed has been spoiled by NED type owners of all ages. I'd estimate about 60% plus of abandoned dogs are Staffordshires.

 

[Richie]

I think if a dog attacks someone, the owner should face some kind of prosecution. Especially in this case.

Dog owners should understand they have a duty to ensure the dog is safe around others, or face prosecution. If the dog is a possible danger, the owner should take measures to safeguard others or have the dog put down.

Very few excuses for having an aggressive dog. One is Rage Syndrome which I was very cautious about when my dad got a ****er Spaniel.

 

[Jurgen the German]

I think if a dog attacks someone, the owner should face some kind of prosecution. Especially in this case.

Dog owners should understand they have a duty to ensure the dog is safe around others, or face prosecution. If the dog is a possible danger, the owner should take measures to safeguard others or have the dog put down.

Very few excuses for having an aggressive dog. One is Rage Syndrome which I was very cautious about when my dad got a ****er Spaniel.

Agree with that.

But if a your dog attacks someone, does that mean you are the one at fault? After all it's always the owner. I agree to an extent, if you treat a dog badly, chances are the dog will become aggressive. But I still stand by my point that some dogs are just bad, just like people. I don't mean a particular breed by the way, I have a bichon frise, a mild mannered breed, but he has recently taken to snapping at anyone who even goes remotely near the person who is at next to him, even when he's awake.

 

[Richie]

Agree with that.

But if a your dog attacks someone, does that mean you are the one at fault? After all it's always the owner. I agree to an extent, if you treat a dog badly, chances are the dog will become aggressive. But I still stand by my point that some dogs are just bad, just like people. I don't mean a particular breed by the way, I have a bichon frise, a mild mannered breed, but he has recently taken to snapping at anyone who even goes remotely near the person who is at next to him, even when he's awake.

This is exactly the sort of situation I'm talking about where the owner has to take responsibility. I'm sure you're a good responsible owner, but if your dog injures someone then I think it's you who has to take responsibility for it. I'm not a dog trainer but I imagine he can be trained out of that behaviour. If that isn't possible, it is your responsibility to ensure your dog doesn't hurt anyone but if it does, it's on your head.

 

[Jurgen the German]

This is exactly the sort of situation I'm talking about where the owner has to take responsibility. I'm sure you're a good responsible owner, but if your dog injures someone then I think it's you who has to take responsibility for it. I'm not a dog trainer but I imagine he can be trained out of that behaviour. If that isn't possible, it is your responsibility to ensure your dog doesn't hurt anyone but if it does, it's on your head.

Yeah the owner should take responsibility. But on the other hand, we have mollycoddled our dog but all of a sudden, he got the idea into his head that he wanted to snap at us anytime anyone goes near him when he's comfortable next to someone. Obviously now we know to give him a wide berth in that situation, but we didn't make him do that to start with. He only started doing it recently after about 2 years of us having him.

Btw, we had another bichon previously, he never behaved like that.

 

[Superted]

They should be outlawed. Why are people allowed to keep them as pets, just because they are dogs? You wouldn't be allowed to keep a crocodile, or tiger, or jackal as a pet. What's the difference?

 

[spitshine]

Pit bulls, mastiffs, staffs should all be banned or shot. No reason to have them as a domestic pet apart from Chav society using them as a fighting dog. I find it incredible that not enough has been done and much tougher laws for owners especially ones ago have been reported as attacking others.

 

[Park Lane James]

Anyway, as someone else said some dogs are typically more aggressive than others. When you tie this with lackadaisical and stupid owners then you create a wealth of problems.

Just leading on from this - I've just read some information regarding breed-specific legislation and restrictions on dogs across the world - and the main ones that keep on coming up are pit bull breeds and those that are deemed 'fighting dogs'. I guess that last point stands out because such dogs may display an aggressive nature or act aggressively more than other breeds of dog that may have been treated differently throughout the generations (as someone else said with regards to the retriever characteristics).

Do we have any or much breed-specific restrictions in this country? To be honest I really don't like staffordshire bull terriers, pit bulls etc - ugly little things with hardly any fur to speak of.

 

[Park Lane James]

Pit bulls, mastiffs, staffs should all be banned or shot. No reason to have them as a domestic pet apart from Chav society using them as a fighting dog. I find it incredible that not enough has been done and much tougher laws for owners especially ones ago have been reported as attacking others.

Aren't many mastiffs meant to be quite docile? The strange thing is that most of the larger breeds of dogs seem to be much more gentile and placid in nature compared the the nippy little fudgers like jack russels etc (I hate them). My family used to have two boxer dogs and they both had boundless energy (too much in fact, would always cause trouble by jumping into the neighbours garden, eating so much they would be sick etc) but were the most gentile dogs you could meet really.

 

[Thebarbarian]

Pit bulls, mastiffs, staffs should all be banned or shot. No reason to have them as a domestic pet apart from Chav society using them as a fighting dog. I find it incredible that not enough has been done and much tougher laws for owners especially ones ago have been reported as attacking others.

that is an incredibly ill-informed, uneducated and ignorant post. As others have stated the owners take the responsibility for aggressive dogs. You can train a poodle to attack people if you want to and that is what the owners of these dogs in question have evidently done.

Yes some breeds are more naturally agressive looking or stronger but that doesn't mean they are harmful or fighting animals. I have a 3 year old staffy who is the most friendly, docile pet you would meet. My friend has a 68kg Bull Mastiff who is as soppy as hell, should they be shot?