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Gareth Bale

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Daily Star and various other sources are claiming Suarez is going to Madrid (some others say Munich), but that the deal is now done and beyond Arsenal (good!). This also means that Real Madrid have more cash in their wallet over what they are offering for Bale. We can squeeze harder. They want Bale more than Suarez I would imagine. £150 mill and we really are in dram land.

We should make unrealistic demands to Madrid, something like 125m cash plus 2 players. If they are willing to pay that much, then we should increase the amount to 150m plus 2 players. We should continue that until Real are tinkled off so much that they won't even think about buying our players in future.:lol:
 
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no this isnt quite true. movement makes the pass? you need to try telling zidane, riquelme, xavi et al that. "btw...you know that skill set you were adept that? you know that one that makes the football an extension of you natural limbs? come on man you know what i am talking about.....the one where you get the ball from a good or bad, hard or soft pass, you murder it.....have a quick scope of your vicinity and then see angles no one else see, see zones that could be occupied in set time frame, pass the ball (you know, the mow the lawn type passes...not the bump and grind ones), weight it to perfection....and then move to receive it again and so you can do it all over again .....all of this in one second or two and in one or two touched. Ring a bell now? yeeaaah , that one...all that gets watered down and unecessary when all everyone has to do is move. who cares abvout the actual execution, vision and mind to action process of the actual passer. If we all move then the ball will pass itself....."

no. movement makes a passing option available , you still need a medium / supplier/ deliverer to actually see this option whether it has happened or is going to happen...and you need that guy to be able to execute it. Obviously the example above is an extreme case as those skill sets belong to the much better of footballers...but you need someone who can do those things to a relatively high degree and regularly to be able to class them as creative. not because people move about abit

i would even say that in training, if you see someone with enough creativity like say zidane, that would actually ENCOURAGE people to move more. its like when we have 5 in midfield with Thudd at the base a few years back...that highlighted Thudds assets...BUT it also highlighted lennons.....every single time thudd got the ball...lennon would be off like a light....the cross field pass would isolate lennon on the wing beautifully and lennon could show his devastation against an isolated and unsupported full back....they had no chance. but now? no passer? lennon comes deep...waits for the ball to travel through 3 of his team mates before it can get to him and then when he gets it...he has a double team to deal with.

another example is the relationship between lennon and charlie versus the relationship between lennon and walker.

This was the problem AVB dealt with all last season (despite having Bale) once Sandro got hurt. He isn't Zidane but he could deliver a very quick pass from deep to the bolting runners in wide positions, thus the fast breaks we saw in early season away games. Yeah, Hudd has the vision but he will never be mobile enough/versatile enough for what AVB wants IMO.

One of the things Paulinho gives us is choice. he can play deep or he can play box-to-box. Ditto Dembele. Sandro is only one of the trio who I don't think would do well advanced/box-to-box. Some of Paulinho's passing is really excellent. At one time it seemed clear that AVB needed a Modric or even Mountinho string-puller, but he got beyond and around that.

If Levy and AVB decide to stick with Bale, IMO we will have a player who has been permanently destabilized over the last couple of weeks and who will never perform quite as scintillatingly for us again. At this point he has had little to no pre-season and there has been the isolation from daily team-mate life. The boy's head has been spun.

If Levy and Bale decide to let him go, I can see AVB wanting the money for a Willian or Hulk-type player...we will never replace Bale, but we will strengthen and survive without a doubt.

Such a shame that all this has overshadowed the purchase of Soldado, a player signed for a fee some (I believe you were one of them) said would not happen under Levy. It's a sign of intent, and I'll bet our own Napoleon is further tinkled off at Madrid for not allowing that fanfare to grab headlines.
 
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So people are happy to the back of Jenas and Bentley but when Bale goes he is not being loyal?

I think the key issue is how we spend that world record fee. Eric Lamela - yes please - to name one player I would love us to buy
 
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So people are happy to the back of Jenas and Bentley but when Bale goes he is not being loyal?

I think the key issue is how we spend that world record fee. Eric Lamela - yes please - to name one player I would love us to buy

At the risk of incurring the wrath of some, I absolutely do NOT blame Bale at all in any of this. He always said he wanted to play for Madrid one day, and it was set at the start of summer that he would stay another year and go there. Then it got dirty. In fact, I feel sorry for him personally and hope that wherever he ends up now, he can enjoy his football again like he has done with us...his pure enjoyment of the last two seasons was, for me, just so great to see, genuinely happy with his team-mates.
 
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Soooo if Bale goes:

We'll be without 3 of our top 4 goalscorers from last season... (assuming Adebayor is out)

Thats 33 goals to replace. Hope Soldado does the business.
 
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Soooo if Bale goes:

We'll be without 3 of our top 4 goalscorers from last season... (assuming Adebayor is out)

Thats 33 goals to replace. Hope Soldado does the business.

We've still got OG, I thought he outscored Ade last season
 
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come on fella, we haven't heard any direct quotes from him (know that could be a possibility that will change soon)

until then lets not turn on him.........were better supporters than that....we understand that its a massive pull for Gareth and he deserves ucl and challenging for titles.....but its also better for him to not put himself in that pressure cooker situation as he can still develop with us...... Gareth has to understand that Levy has to do the best by thfc.

were all frustrated at getting battered by the press but until Gareth comes out and acts disrespectfully there is no need to be disrespectful to him........in an ideal world he would come out and say he loves us for eternity and will only leave us if he's dragged out kicking and screaming....not gonna happen im afraid and were all quite quick to tell the likes of jenas how poo poo they are and how they can get out of our club....

it works both ways this loyalty concept thingy.

Ok I was drunk. Apologies to all. No more bad things about Bale. Even if he leaves I will be thankful for what he has done for us.
 
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The Sun says he had emotional goodbyes with all the players yesterday even signing a lot of their shirts..

Did they not have their panini stickers of him to hand then ????
 
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This was the problem AVB dealt with all last season (despite having Bale) once Sandro got hurt. He isn't Zidane but he could deliver a very quick pass from deep to the bolting runners in wide positions, thus the fast breaks we saw in early season away games. Yeah, Hudd has the vision but he will never be mobile enough/versatile enough for what AVB wants IMO.

One of the things Paulinho gives us is choice. he can play deep or he can play box-to-box. Ditto Dembele. Sandro is only one of the trio who I don't think would do well advanced/box-to-box. Some of Paulinho's passing is really excellent. At one time it seemed clear that AVB needed a Modric or even Mountinho string-puller, but he got beyond and around that.

If Levy and AVB decide to stick with Bale, IMO we will have a player who has been permanently destabilized over the last couple of weeks and who will never perform quite as scintillatingly for us again. At this point he has had little to no pre-season and there has been the isolation from daily team-mate life. The boy's head has been spun.

If Levy and Bale decide to let him go, I can see AVB wanting the money for a Willian or Hulk-type player...we will never replace Bale, but we will strengthen and survive without a doubt.

Such a shame that all this has overshadowed the purchase of Soldado, a player signed for a fee some (I believe you were one of them) said would not happen under Levy. It's a sign of intent, and I'll bet our own Napoleon is further tinkled off at Madrid for not allowing that fanfare to grab headlines.

agree about sandro but i would stress that his was more a quality of quick supply to wingers....not really a creative one...he wasnt lifting anything of large patches of grass to the feet of wingers and he was playing balls behind defenses. what he did do was know in his mind where he should be so as to make the pass quick and efficiently without much fuss to the attcking players. top class plAYER. IMO world class....

i'm going to hold you to that btw....that paulinhos passing can be really excellent. REALLY excellent in my book...even if he pulls out 1 of those in about 100 passes...places that kind of pass in the steven gerrard, xabi alonso, thudd, scholes category for long range .......and if its short range then we are talking...cesc, shingji, silva etc etc. Hopefully you are correct

but back on the actual point you made...avb did get around the need for a deep lying playmaker but we were efficient and resourceful....we didnt however 'look good'. AVB got a regimented and efficient system together. Its successful, but that success was very heavily based on having a world class player. Having said that...when bale was out...guess what ...we scored two goals in each of the games he didnt play in. i actually think we will be fine and depending on who we add if he leave or even if he doesnt leave...i think we will actually PLAY and LOOK better as FLUID team. basically i think AVB now has a season under his belt...he has had two preseasons....and now the chemistry in the team is enough that we should be able to produce a better system that offers a variety of threats ...not just one. We proved that by having to adapt when bale got injured

last thing, if bale stays...and i have a feeling he will now, if he stays...he WILL play to a high level still. guaranteed. anything less than that can be considered a breach of contract...though we wont make him suffer as much as he does us. plus...bale playing at 70 % is still a damn fine player......a 70% bale is what i call a world class ROLE player. And there is only so much a player can decide to sulk when his team mates are celebrating with the crowd over goals ....people are happy, these are his friends. He will get over it if he stays. This is a business and human interaction/ behaviour, real life brick. I know you dont like to think the way i do but from my expsorure of most people i will tell you this.

If bale stays he WILL, and he will perform at least nearly as well a he did.....i'm not talking goals and asssits...but more overall effect on the pitch and his presence . Garth bale is a child even though he is 24, most footballers are. he is a man by age, but so many footballers are socially underdeveloped and lacking in real hard life growth that they behave as mature as their surroundings and environment has allowed them. When a child sulks and doesnt eat his dinner...and wants people to feel his sulking.....he stands infront of you dropping his face...but when you ignore this kid and get on with things..and the family are enjoying whats happening on TV ....while watching spurs beat city........that kid wants to join him. just pick him up at the next goal...and he'll join in

still cant believe the Soldado deal. The model on face value has been shot in the stomach.Teams need to watch out for us now. we will spend money without necessarily thinking of getting it back.

(unless we knew we were selling bale all along and this is levy's way of getting all his TO targets without being held to ransom and exposing the club to fiancial hardship? who knows)
 
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Still don't think he'll go as don't believe Levy will back down and don't believe Real will pay £85m

If it does happen, we can buy two £30m players and use £2m for the stadium. That's a decent result for us
 
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Lots of talk (originating from a Spanish paper) that we've agreed a deal to sell him next season.
I cannot see that at all.

I think it is time to bite the bullet - if he's not signing a new contract, he wants to go.
If the figures in excess of £90m are correct, then I'd sell now.
We all find it unsettling and infuriating - think what the players/team/squad/management feel when we are now two weeks from a new season.
 
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Still don't think he'll go as don't believe Levy will back down and don't believe Real will pay £85m

If it does happen, we can buy two £30m players and use £2m for the stadium. That's a decent result for us

So what about the other £23m?
 
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Keep him for one more year even if he's not happy about it. Put it this way...

He stays and we get in Champs League.. That's what? £30m for getting in there.

Then even if we only get £50m next season, we're still getting £80m in a roundabout way, and we'll be in a stronger position to replace him as we can offer Champs League football.

Simples.
 
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More Marca crap

In the footballing world, when we talk about kinks to describe the final details in a transfer deal, we’re usually talking about its payment terms. How many instalments will be made and how much each one will be.

That is exactly what Real Madrid and Tottenham are doing. Once a transfer fee has been agreed, close to €100m, the clubs will attempt to agree payment terms.

Real Madrid wants to pay €100m in five instalments. In addition, it has made it clear that the first payment will be no more than €25m. That is the money that will leave for London in the coming weeks. At least, that is the intention of Florentino Pérez and those close to him, who have already informed Daniel Levy of their position.

That is Real Madrid’s offer, and there is every chance it will be accepted by Tottenham, which is already considering its options based on the money it is going to receive from Real this summer.

Even though Tottenham will eventually receive a total of €100m, it won’t receive more than €25m this summer. This means the club will only be able to negotiate paying for any new signings in small instalments. In other words, even if Spurs makes some big-money signings, the club knows that it will not be able to make any huge payments in the short term, and must negotiate conditions very similar to those that 'Los Blancos' have negotiated for Bale.

Once these kinks have been ironed out, the Welshman will touch down at the Santiago Bernabéu, without the need for an immediate, excessive outlay of money
 
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