Gareth Bale

[harr1984]

Re: Gareth Bale

more for Modric?? i think we got an amazing deal financially. He was an important clog in our wheel, but that doesnt mean he is a player that would be just as valuable to a team like Real. And thats how things have turned out. He looks a bit lost out there

He doesn't look lost out there at all. The first couple of months he did, but thats often the way. He's doing just fine for them now....

 

[harr1984]

Re: Gareth Bale

FFP is now coming in to play my good man, don't think that brick will fly as much anymore - plus they've already spent a fair chunk this summer. they've just sold Higuain and probably need a striker more than anything else... spend 100m on Bale and could they buy that forward as well?

Bale to stay at Spurs, Suarez to Real at the end of the window - trust

That sounds good to me. I've been convinced he's here for one more year, but I just think there's far too much going on now for him not to be going. Hope Im wrong....

 

[Mosquito_Coasting]

Re: Gareth Bale

more for Modric?? i think we got an amazing deal financially. He was an important clog in our wheel, but that doesnt mean he is a player that would be just as valuable to a team like Real. And thats how things have turned out. He looks a bit lost out there

Yeah, it wasn't a bad price. I can't really remember everything, just that it seemed to be more like 40m we were going to get and some headlines even higher. I feel much better about losing Bale for 80m if that happens than Modric, Carrick or Baerbatov at any of their prices.

 

[indianspur]

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FFP is now coming in to play my good man, don't think that brick will fly as much anymore - plus they've already spent a fair chunk this summer. they've just sold Higuain and probably need a striker more than anything else... spend 100m on Bale and could they buy that forward as well?

Bale to stay at Spurs, Suarez to Real at the end of the window - trust

Ginolius - wouldn't say that Levy/THFC leaking prices is unlikely in the slightest tbh

Real have broken even so far this summer with their buying and selling.....look at PSG and Emirates Marketing Project this summer, they couldnt care less about FFP

Real have Benzema and Morata as regular strikers, and if you had watched real in pre season you would have seen Ancelotti play Ronaldo more centrally. So they are well covered imo After all, how many strikers have Barca got??or Bayern Munich

 

[thfcsteff]

Re: Gareth Bale

I'm worried the 86m stories aren't actually official and are just more press fed propaganda and Madrid will actually pay a lot less. I think we should have got more for Modric considering the market and the figures being thrown about beforehand.

That's a major major part of this problem...

 

[Kingdawson]

Re: Gareth Bale

I'm worried the 86m stories aren't actually official and are just more press fed propaganda and Madrid will actually pay a lot less. I think we should have got more for Modric considering the market and the figures being thrown about beforehand.

Yeh the figures might be flimflam but Levy isn't a man to buckle under pressure when it comes to negotiating prices. If they don't offer what we want the he stays, pretty simple.

 

[thfcsteff]

Re: Gareth Bale

That just plays into levys hands if he really wants to keep bale though.

It's not just us that will be reading these crazy figures and believing them to be realistic - so will bale and his advisors.

If real suddenly turn round and go 'here's 70m'then levy has a much easier job of explaining to bale that he's worth more than that and real are low balling them, as real have talked up his value themselves all summer.

Contrast that to real taking about putting in a 50 bid and turning his head with that before putting in a 70m offer and suddenly it's hard to justify to bale how we can turn it down.

In fact, the more I think about it the more I think it's possibly not just the Madrid camp leaking things. It's a conspiracy theory but hell, if levy knows real can't afford a record fee and doesn't want to sell then why not leak huge transfer figures about and then at the end of the summer publicly say 'you've twisted my arm - 105m and he's yours', knowing full well they can't match it. Hell of a long bluff and not likely, but you never know in business - it's happened to us with other clubs often enough.

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No-one in British football (IMO) gets more angry about people fudging him than Daniel Levy. By resurfacing like they did, and by resorting to the tactics they did, Madrid have infuriated our own Napoleon. So I think you're absolutely onto something...very possible...he is not a man to sit meekly and let it happen. Indeed, his resolution and resolve get more iron-clad every season...his strength was cast in stone somewhere between Chelsea stealing Arnesen and the pursuit of Berbatov. His heart was broken by Keane. I seriously think he is a colder, harder more ruthless man in business because of these thing...that's just an opinion BTW.

 

[Ginolius]

Re: Gareth Bale

but Real, and Perez, have shown that they are not scared of paying whatever it takes to get the player they want. They always get their bollox out and pay big, thats what its all about, trying to appear bigger than Barca.

They are always in huge debt, but always spend vast sums of money. What other club could break the world transfer record TWICE in one summer, and not just break it, smash it out of the ballpark when they paid 55 mill for Kaka and then 80 mill for Ronaldo.....with Perez, its ALL about making that big statement.

If they want Bale, they are going to break the world record again. There biggest task this summer was to convince the player to move this year, and then convince Levy to let him go. Thats what the media campaign has been all about

all imo of course

True, they're the best example of Keynesian economics distilled into a football club - who cares if you spend 80m on one player if you bring in an extra 100m over the next 5 years.

I can't think of many players easier to get commercial value from than bale right now - Madrid will certainly make more money from him over the next few years than we would so he may be worth that much to them.

The problem is they're under a lot of pressure already though; it's not financial fair play as their monetary policies seem to be working so well they're making more profit than most clubs despite the player purchases and wages, but the corruption investigations could really screw them over if they get found guilty - there's a lot of political pressure in Spain to clamp down on unwarranted public spending and those land deals could bite them in the arse, and the 'creative accountancy' isn't viewed too well either.

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[metalgear]

Re: Gareth Bale

we're talking a totally different scale with real madrid. new galactico transfer is offset hugely by marketing deals and selling a lot of shirts globally. its a business model that we've yet to embark on.

 

[indianspur]

Re: Gareth Bale

That's a major major part of this problem...

you underestimate why they are buying Bale....not just because he is a top player, but they want to completely overshadow Barca's purchase of Neymar. This is a big deal for Perez imo and the opinion of some Spanish football experts

 

[Spursalot]

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we're talking a totally different scale with real madrid. new galactico transfer is offset hugely by marketing deals and selling a lot of shirts globally. its a business model that we've yet to embark on.

That stuff is such pr gonads.


People would buy Real madrid shirts anyway, A signing doesn't add that many more shirts.

 

[billyiddo]

Re: Gareth Bale

we're talking a totally different scale with real madrid. new galactico transfer is offset hugely by marketing deals and selling a lot of shirts globally. its a business model that we've yet to embark on.

another reason why we can squeeze more £££ out of Real - the transfer will pay for itself within a season or two

 

[billyiddo]

Re: Gareth Bale

That stuff is such pr gonads.

Real sold 1.4 million official shirts last season i read somewhere

 

[Ginolius]

Re: Gareth Bale

we're talking a totally different scale with real madrid. new galactico transfer is offset hugely by marketing deals and selling a lot of shirts globally. its a business model that we've yet to embark on.

It's a business model that only 3 or 4 clubs can realistically make work - the rest of us just can't leverage enough revenue streams to make up that sort of money.

Maybe Bale was/is our hope to get to that point and hence the short term acquisition of Soldado to get us into the champions league where we can start to really get ourselves noticed.

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[Spursalot]

Re: Gareth Bale

Real sold 1.4 million official shirts last season i read somewhere

Exactly. They would have to add an extra million or so shirts on top of that for two years to pay off Bale's transfer fee.


Edit: far more then that really, more like 4-5 million shirts per year.

 

[Mosquito_Coasting]

Re: Gareth Bale

Yeh the figures might be flimflam but Levy isn't a man to buckle under pressure when it comes to negotiating prices. If they don't offer what we want the he stays, pretty simple.

Only playing devil's advocate but what happens if Bale says he has to go and hands in a transfer request, goes on strike, etc? Maybe Bale feels this is his moment and chance and if he doesn't keep it up then the offer won't be there next summer. It's really all on Bale and how he wants to conduct himself professionally. I think he might still give us another season but if he doesn't want to then we are a little powerless.

 

[Spursalot]

Re: Gareth Bale

Only playing devil's advocate but what happens if Bale says he has to go and hands in a transfer request, goes on strike, etc? Maybe Bale feels this is his moment and chance and if he doesn't keep it up then the offer won't be there next summer. It's really all on Bale and how he wants to conduct himself professionally. I think he might still give us another season but if he doesn't want to then we are a little powerless.

how are we powerless?


The transfer window closes. Is Bale going to continue striking? You are talking about a young-ish footballer who was in the form of his life. Is he really going to be able to stay away knowing he is staying here?

 

[clownfoot]

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Only playing devil's advocate but what happens if Bale says he has to go and hands in a transfer request, goes on strike, etc? Maybe Bale feels this is his moment and chance and if he doesn't keep it up then the offer won't be there next summer. It's really all on Bale and how he wants to conduct himself professionally. I think he might still give us another season but if he doesn't want to then we are a little powerless.

I've thought he is reluctant to hand in a transfer request. Not only does he lose his loyalty bonus (which I'm guessing is considerably large) but he doesn't want to strain the relationship he has with our fans. No proof to this, but I did read it somewhere

 

[DubaiSpur]

Re: Gareth Bale

Only playing devil's advocate but what happens if Bale says he has to go and hands in a transfer request, goes on strike, etc? Maybe Bale feels this is his moment and chance and if he doesn't keep it up then the offer won't be there next summer. It's really all on Bale and how he wants to conduct himself professionally. I think he might still give us another season but if he doesn't want to then we are a little powerless.

It depends. If we're amenable to him leaving, it wont come to that. If we're not, then we have a course of action planned out for each of those eventualities. If he hands in a transfer request, he forfeits all contract and loyalty bonuses due to him, and we can still turn it down and make him train with the U-21's till he stops being disruptive. If he goes on strike, we can keep fining him each week's wages until he's either gone the entire year without payment or he caves and returns to training.

Both fairly extreme, but it's not like we're totally powerless if we absolutely want to keep him regardless of the potential consequences. I'd prefer if we sorted it out one way or another without resorting to such methods, though.

 

[indianspur]

Re: Gareth Bale

london evening standard saying that Bale wont travel to Monaco

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/now-gareth-bale-sits-out-trip-to-monaco-8743429.html

that injury must be a Real pain in the ass