If Liverpool are really pressing from the start, which I suspect they will do, there's no harm in going long a few times early. It doesn't mean we totally abandon the way we play, just mix it up a little especially if under a lot of pressure early.
-
Dear Guest, Please note that adult content is not permitted on this forum. We have had our Google ads disabled at times due to some posts that were found from some time ago. Please do not post adult content and if you see any already on the forum, please report the post so that we can deal with it. Adult content is allowed in the glory hole - you will have to request permission to access it. Thanks, scara
Fraser Forster
- Thread starter fernadez
- Start date
glasgowspur
Andy Thompson
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
You being weirded out by something that is the norm and has been going on forever is just as weird
Just ignore the lazy hack clichés and get your information elsewhere. There's a really good pod you should check out, game is about glory or something like that I think it's called.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
We do that at times already.
It's fine if it happens a few times. If it becomes a pattern I think it's detrimental to us. We still have to be brave and try to play through. We still have to accept that risk.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
It’s how we get fro several chances yesterday
Passing is key to the football
Mistakes happen
El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Thing is, Forster's mistakes last night came at moments where he had arguably more time to execute a simple pass than during any of his previous matches this season. I genuinely think he lost his focus/concentration and it led to the second mistake. The guy's not played week in week out regular football for several years. It is very possible he lost his way.
Mate, bless if you think that we can regain more possession by lumping it to Solanke to win his duals with VD consistently and knock it down to Maddison or Deki. I think this would be disasterous personally, and result in us getting battered. Who'd be a manager, eh?
I did say that I would have Solanke dropping deeper and so not contesting against VVD. As I know that’s a no brainer to avoid.
But yes no matter how much I might grumble about Ange at times, and I have as I’m both impulsive which sadly can include knee jerk reactions in life as well as football, and I want to see us be the best we can be as any of us do.
I think we can have joy in attacking them as they’ve looked vulnerable in the last few matches. So whatever happens it’s likely to have a good few goals in the match. Just hope it’s a few more for us than for them!
El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Likely my description of him being useless with the ball at his feet wasn’t fair so I’ll take that back. But he’s just not a player that excels with it. He cost us two goals yesterday, by doing what he may not be so comfortable about showing himself. He did make a good save from a header and is generally a decent shot stopper. So it’s just those style mistakes and not wanting us to risk it which lead me to my comments. I trust him but want him to be comfortable and play a role which is most suited to him.
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
Muttley
Milenko Acimovic
I do think everyone has missed my point above.
WE WERE 3-0 UP.
Why does our keeper think that playing tippy tappy football is even required in that game situation? The answer is that the manager doesn't change tactics in any situation. It is way different from the early exchanges when our tactic is to suck teams in, pass around them and build the gaps further up the pitch to exploit. We had already done that superbly.
WE WERE 3-0 UP.
Why does our keeper think that playing tippy tappy football is even required in that game situation? The answer is that the manager doesn't change tactics in any situation. It is way different from the early exchanges when our tactic is to suck teams in, pass around them and build the gaps further up the pitch to exploit. We had already done that superbly.
Grays_1890
Barry Daines
TBF I think he has been a great understudy this season, yesterday was really poor and I was effing and jeffing at the screen at the time. I have seen a fair few keepers do the same stuff this season and last so not sure I will use it as a microscope into Foster given he has been crucial to a few wins recently. We need better eventually but thats not happening till the summer
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Managing a situation like that includes keeping the ball. It includes passing it to the keeper and playing with that kind of risk.
The alternative also comes with a risk. A keeper playing very safe in those circumstances would make us much easier to press. Would mean giving them the ball more often and having to defend more. In those circumstances mistakes also happen.
And that's how we're set up to play, that's how we train, that's the style of play we're trying to further develop in. Had we been a different team set up differently it would make sense to approach a 3-0 lead differently.
Muttley
Milenko Acimovic
Just after, Fraser put his foot through it, Solanke did some impressive pressing joined by the rest of the team who pushed up. Utd didn't get near our goal for ages and we regained possession. This is the real world of football when you're 3-0 up.
The thing is, we weren't playing City, Arsenal or Pool. We know Utd aren't capable of hurting us in the same way if we give them possession back deep in their half. That also has to be part of the game management, knowing their strengths and weaknesses.
I've said this many times but I will judge Ange on the full manager's playbook, not just the chapters he uses. He could easily fall on his sword in the future because of it.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
We didn't have the energy or subs to see the game out through high pressing imo.
If what you're suggesting is hitting long balls when pressed (as we were most of the time at this stage) to ourselves push up, press and try to force them back I don't think that's in the manager's handbook for how to defend a lead with an injury ravaged squad suffering from fatigue. We did that sometimes. If we had the energy to press more and more of the time I'm rather confident that's what Ange would have had the players do when Uni had the ball.
We did allow them possession in their half for a fair bit of the game. It's not like they weren't getting into dangerous situations from that. Again, mistakes could happen from defending like that.
Muttley
Milenko Acimovic
Nah, I'm saying that in those key moments that fatigue also applies to the defenders. It should be absolutely OK for Fraser to clear the lines.
There's some defensive situations where there is space to play the Ange way but there are the really tight ones where you shouldn't. I thought the first goal was one of those, and Fraser didn't revert to Fraser's goalkeeping playbook. He reverted to Ederson's because of Ange expectations on his keepers.
I'm struggling to be down on Fraser. I'm sure he apologised, but I'm hopeful Ange also spoke up and took his share of the blame. Knowing Ange, he probably did.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
It is OK for Forster to clear his lines. He's done so several times before. Just like our defenders sometimes do it. It's not like Ange is saying that they should never clear their lines.
I'm guessing Ange has a different standard for what is too tight to play out than you do. And I'm guessing the players do too.
I think it's entirely fair to want a different threshold for just clearing the lines. But I think it's pretty clear that would also come with a downside.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Bang it long and let them attack a tired side is suicide
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
We have scored goals from it
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
I agree and back him to be absolutely solid Sunday.