Franco Baldini

[spurspinter1]

Re: Has Franco Baldini been sacked already?

do we know that?

even if we then go and get J Rod as first choice in jan he'd be a useful squad player, fills some holes, useful option on the bench, going cheap, seems a no brainer

Do you think Welbeck would have rather joined us on loan to fill in squad gaps or make a permanent move (higher wages signing on fees) to Arsenal where he's guaranteed to start due to Giroud's injury and also be fed by Ozil Ramsey Cazorla etc etc

 

[glorygloryeze]

Re: Has Franco Baldini been sacked already?

only when it's suits me, isn't that how it works?

 

[Baleforce]

Re: Has Franco Baldini been sacked already?

Do you think Welbeck would have rather joined us on loan to fill in squad gaps or make a permanent move (higher wages signing on fees) to Arsenal where he's guaranteed to start due to Giroud's injury and also be fed by Ozil Ramsey Cazorla etc etc

good question, as I said you'd expect him to start for the immediate future so he'd be in that state in jan either way, we sign someone Poch prefers or Wengers object of affection Giroud gets back in ahead of him anyway

if it were me the question would be "what's least embarrassing? being left out for Sanogo, or playing for Spurs"

 

[glorygloryeze]

Re: Has Franco Baldini been sacked already?

good question, as I said you'd expect him to start for the immediate future so he'd be in that state in jan either way, we sign someone Poch prefers or Wengers object of affection Giroud gets back in ahead of him anyway

if it were me the question would be "what's least embarrassing? being left out for Sanogo, or playing for Spurs"

Interesting you say that; I remember reading somewhere some reference to chat on Twitter that Welbeck was a board signing over Wenger's head.
If Welbeck doesn't start vs Emirates Marketing Project next Saturday lunchtime - and especially if Sanogo starts ahead of him - then for me it would suggest that those Twitter rumours may have some basis to them..

 

[Gutter Boy]

Re: Has Franco Baldini been sacked already?

It would be insane to get rid of Baldini now. Half (12) of our squad are now his players. Changing course this far through a transformation would be madness. It would undermine Poch quite a lot too and we saw how quickly things fell apart when the Soton board did the same thing to Cortese.

Welbeck would always have been a Dempsey-style signing. A loan would have been ok, but I'm much happier waiting for a proper solution in Rodriguez in January.

This is just a bog standard knuckle-scraping red top attack on the 'foreign' concept of a DoF.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Re: Has Franco Baldini been sacked already?

It would be insane to get rid of Baldini now. Half (12) of our squad are now his players. Changing course this far through a transformation would be madness. It would undermine Poch quite a lot too and we saw how quickly things fell apart when the Soton board did the same thing to Cortese.

Welbeck would always have been a Dempsey-style signing. A loan would have been ok, but I'm much happier waiting for a proper solution in Rodriguez in January.

This is just a bog standard knuckle-scraping red top attack on the 'foreign' concept of a DoF.

Indeed

 

[indianspur]

Re: Has Franco Baldini been sacked already?

It would be insane to get rid of Baldini now. Half (12) of our squad are now his players. Changing course this far through a transformation would be madness. It would undermine Poch quite a lot too and we saw how quickly things fell apart when the Soton board did the same thing to Cortese.

Welbeck would always have been a Dempsey-style signing. A loan would have been ok, but I'm much happier waiting for a proper solution in Rodriguez in January.

This is just a bog standard knuckle-scraping red top attack on the 'foreign' concept of a DoF.

if Levy and the board are not happy they will ditch him with no hesitation. Out of all the signings weve made since he has been here only Eriksen and Lamela have potential to be top ones, and out of these two im not sure if Poch is even a fan of Eriksen and Lamela has a long way to go to justify the 26 mill outlay.

 

[Kingdawson]

Re: Has Franco Baldini been sacked already?

I'll wait until the end of the season to make a proper judgment but so far he's failed miserably

Soldado = Epic fail
Paulinho = Epic fail
Chiriches = fail
Lamela = Epic fail so far (although i have faith)
Chadli = ok
Eriksen = success
Capoue = ok


I like the players we've brought in this season though (i don't know anything about Stambouli) so again...we'll wait and see.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Re: Has Franco Baldini been sacked already?

It would be insane to get rid of Baldini now. Half (12) of our squad are now his players. Changing course this far through a transformation would be madness. It would undermine Poch quite a lot too and we saw how quickly things fell apart when the Soton board did the same thing to Cortese.

Welbeck would always have been a Dempsey-style signing. A loan would have been ok, but I'm much happier waiting for a proper solution in Rodriguez in January.

This is just a bog standard knuckle-scraping red top attack on the 'foreign' concept of a DoF.

While I agree with your last sentence, I think signing Welbeck would've made a lot of sense irrespective of whether or not we want Rodriguez.

1. There is no guarantee that we will get Rodriguez in January (or at any point). A 'bigger' club could blow us out of the water financially or Southampton could simply refuse to sell to us/at all, just as they did with Schneiderlin.

2. Welbeck can play in any position across the front three so would've given us a very good option in the squad.

3. He would seem to be a better option playing through the middle as our lone centre forward than either Kane or Soldado. We are currently only an injury to Adebayor (or the ANC) away from having to play with one of those two up front for us week in week out.

4. Buying Welbeck would've allowed us to sell Soldado for whatever we could've got for him (probably not a lot - but I expect a lot more than we'll get for him next Summer when he is 30 years old).

5. Welbeck is also a 'homegrown' player and these are becoming more and more valuable.

Personally I suspect that we did want Welbeck and didn't get him simply because the player wanted to wait until the end of the transfer window to see what other offers he had. Had Giroud not got injured then I think Welbeck would've been a Spurs player now.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Re: Has Franco Baldini been sacked already?

I'll wait until the end of the season to make a proper judgment but so far he's failed miserably

Soldado = Epic fail
Paulinho = Epic fail
Chiriches = fail
Lamela = Epic fail so far (although i have faith)
Chadli = ok
Eriksen = success
Capoue = ok

I like the players we've brought in this season though (i don't know anything about Stambouli) so again...we'll wait and see.

I don't think it is as simple as that really as we don't really know what players the manager wanted/asked for. I thought it was quite clear that AVB wanted Soldado while Baldini wanted to bring Benteke in for example. I would imagine that Baldini simply has input on specific 'types' of player, provides the information on their potential availability and how much they are likely to cost and then performs the negotiations if given the green light to bring them in.

 

[DublinSpur]

Re: Has Franco Baldini been sacked already?

It would be insane to get rid of Baldini now. Half (12) of our squad are now his players. Changing course this far through a transformation would be madness. It would undermine Poch quite a lot too and we saw how quickly things fell apart when the Soton board did the same thing to Cortese.

Welbeck would always have been a Dempsey-style signing. A loan would have been ok, but I'm much happier waiting for a proper solution in Rodriguez in January.

This is just a bog standard knuckle-scraping red top attack on the 'foreign' concept of a DoF.

The idea that a fully-recovered Rodriguez won't attract bigger offers than us seems optimistic to me. Whether that story is true or not... there will be more of them, and some of them may very well be. That said, Southampton would have charged us a small fortune and I don't think Levy would have been responsible to chuck the best part of £20m on a player that wouldn't have passed a medical. I don't know what the insurance position would have been, but I suspect the whole thing would have been viewed as too big a risk.

Which is a roundabout way of saying that I don't hold anyone to blame for our failure to land Rodriguez (like some seem to), but nor do I think we have a hope in hell of getting him should he fully recover from his injury and rediscover the form that had us interested in the first place.

 

[Jordinho]

http://www.mundodeportivo.com/20141012/fc-barcelona/monchi-esperara-al-barca_54417019791.html

Something about Monchi saying he'll leave Sevilla after this season and how he wants to go to Barcelona. Writer has tagged us and a couple of other clubs on at the bottom for good measure.

 

[Gutter Boy]

http://www.mundodeportivo.com/20141012/fc-barcelona/monchi-esperara-al-barca_54417019791.html

Something about Monchi saying he'll leave Sevilla after this season and how he wants to go to Barcelona. Writer has tagged us and a couple of other clubs on at the bottom for good measure.

Is it him or del Nido that hates Levy?

With the ever-growing FA/UKIP hostility to non-EU players, I'm not sure it makes sense to bring in a DoF who specialises in the South American market. I know this is Baldini (and Broomfield's) area of expertise too, but Baldini also had his 4 years as England Assistant Manager and has worked in two other major European leagues (Italy and Spain).

 

[Jurgen the German]

Re: Has Franco Baldini been sacked already?

It would be insane to get rid of Baldini now. Half (12) of our squad are now his players. Changing course this far through a transformation would be madness. It would undermine Poch quite a lot too and we saw how quickly things fell apart when the Soton board did the same thing to Cortese.

Welbeck would always have been a Dempsey-style signing. A loan would have been ok, but I'm much happier waiting for a proper solution in Rodriguez in January.

This is just a bog standard knuckle-scraping red top attack on the 'foreign' concept of a DoF.

What do you make of the signings so far?

 

[Gutter Boy]

Re: Has Franco Baldini been sacked already?

What do you make of the signings so far?

I'd say it's a bit too early to tell.

Having to completely overhaul an ageing squad overly-reliant on 4 key players who were all departing, working with 3 polar-opposite coaches in quick succession, and on a zero net spend budget, is a pretty mammoth task.

I like that we are stronger across the board than I remember us being (though perhaps still waiting for our next superstars to emerge) - 22+ players none of whom are weak (whereas traditionally we are 1-3 outstanding and c.20 weak).

Paulinho is the big flop obviously, but I still have faith that Soldado will deliver the more the Chadli-Eriksen-Lamela trio keep developing into a cohesive unit.

Dier looks the star buy so far, but I think it's a question that needs to wait till the end of this season at least (remembering that Comolli's star buys like Modric, Bale and BAE didn't start to flourish for a good 2 or more years after they arrived). Capoue has probably been our best player this season - he and Mason owned Schniederlin and Wanyama the other day - but he was considered a flop till a few weeks ago.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Re: Has Franco Baldini been sacked already?

It would be insane to get rid of Baldini now. Half (12) of our squad are now his players. Changing course this far through a transformation would be madness. It would undermine Poch quite a lot too and we saw how quickly things fell apart when the Soton board did the same thing to Cortese.

Welbeck would always have been a Dempsey-style signing. A loan would have been ok, but I'm much happier waiting for a proper solution in Rodriguez in January.

This is just a bog standard knuckle-scraping red top attack on the 'foreign' concept of a DoF.

yeah things have really fallen apart at Southampton.....

 

[Gutter Boy]

Re: Has Franco Baldini been sacked already?

yeah things have really fallen apart at Southampton.....

1) Built on strong foundations/a healthy club culture - we're not (yet)

2) Give it time. Think Wile E Coyote running a good 50 yards across the air before noticing he'd gone over the cliff edge

 

[sc25]

Re: Has Franco Baldini been sacked already?

You feel Soton have stronger foundations than us? Not sure I buy that. Levy and ownership here have been in place a while now, and we are 'bigger' than them surely? What exactly do you think they do better at than us?

 

[Kingdawson]

Re: Has Franco Baldini been sacked already?

You feel Soton have stronger foundations than us? Not sure I buy that. Levy and ownership here have been in place a while now, and we are 'bigger' than them surely? What exactly do you think they do better at than us?

Not only do i not buy that but i feel it's a very very very weak excuse for our/Baldini's failings.

He was instructed to get a CM and pinpointed Paulinho. He was instructed to get a striker and splashed big ££££ on Soldado. He was instructed to get a CB and thought Vlad Chiriches was a good shout. Over 50m on these 3?

Hell most (me included) have faith in Lamela but even he hasn't worked out yet (especially for nearly 30m).

Baldini has failed miserably so far.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Re: Has Franco Baldini been sacked already?

You feel Soton have stronger foundations than us? Not sure I buy that. Levy and ownership here have been in place a while now, and we are 'bigger' than them surely? What exactly do you think they do better at than us?

In terms of a progressive culture permeating the club - yes. That can ride the changing of coaches and the exodus of players. One that values technique, hardwork, resilience and organic growth; over reputation, veneer and appeasement.

In terms of finances, obviously - no.