Formula One on Sky

[Kandi1977]

tinkle boring race. Apart from the 1st lap, absolutely nothing happened.

 

[scaramanga]

Looked a great day in the sun at Silverstone. Brilliant race by Lewis, held his line legally, put the headstrong Dutchman into the barriers and overcame a harsh ten second penalty to win. Makes the Championship race a lot closer.

They've made a few of these decisions lately, penalising drivers for just racing how they always have done.

Max was required to leave a car's width and did. Lewis was required to leave a car's width and left 3. Anything that happens in the middle (short of intentionally turning into the other driver) is just racing.

 

[Raziel]

They've made a few of these decisions lately, penalising drivers for just racing how they always have done.

Max was required to leave a car's width and did. Lewis was required to leave a car's width and left 3. Anything that happens in the middle (short of intentionally turning into the other driver) is just racing.

It was a flimflam decision, Max and Perez have been pushing other drivers around for the last few races, Lewis has multiple times given Max room just to avoid this flimflam, Max actively turned it and paid the price, racing incident.

RB & Max were extremely fudging stupid yesterday, he had such a lead in the championship with them leading constructors that giving up the spot in first lap to ensure you finish (and they probably could have gone for an undercut with their pitstops) was clearly the smarter move, instead .. gave up 25 points. Just plain fudging stupid.

 

[Raziel]

tinkle boring race. Apart from the 1st lap, absolutely nothing happened.

Watching a guy put down 20 odd laps of perfect, on the edge racing to make up a 16 second plus deficit is boring to you? I was there mate, 140K people don't agree.

 

[scaramanga]

It was a flimflam decision, Max and Perez have been pushing other drivers around for the last few races, Lewis has multiple times given Max room just to avoid this flimflam, Max actively turned it and paid the price, racing incident.

RB & Max were extremely fudging stupid yesterday, he had such a lead in the championship with them leading constructors that giving up the spot in first lap to ensure you finish (and they probably could have gone for an undercut with their pitstops) was clearly the smarter move, instead .. gave up 25 points. Just plain fudging stupid.

I love watching Verstappen race, but an obvious consequence of taking an aggressive line and assuming the other driver will move is that sometimes the other driver won't move.

 

[Kandi1977]

Watching a guy put down 20 odd laps of perfect, on the edge racing to make up a 16 second plus deficit is boring to you? I was there mate, 140K people don't agree.

Bias. For the neutral viewers it was boring. Just take a look at what ratings people gave the race. It was not one bit exiting. The best car driving fastest isn't exactly surprising.

 

[Kandi1977]

Watching a guy put down 20 odd laps of perfect, on the edge racing to make up a 16 second plus deficit is boring to you? I was there mate, 140K people don't agree.

I've seen numerous other polls with similar (even worse) results. It was an uneventful race.

 

[Raziel]

Bias. For the neutral viewers it was boring. Just take a look at what ratings people gave the race. It was not one bit exiting. The best car driving fastest isn't exactly surprising.

Wow, the old if Hamilton wins it's best car brick again.

The Mercedes hasn't been close to the fastest car all season (since FIA fudged up regulations specifically to neutralize the Mercedes downforce setup), and even when they were fastest they struggle if not in front (clean air) or in the heat (it was 50+ track temp yesterday). The RB's are faster (where the fudge was Perez) and both the Ferrari's and McLarens were competitive (see Bottas needing a pitstop to pass Lando).

The greatest driver the sport has seen pulled out 20+ laps where he was often a second ahead of everyone else in the field (despite the car clearly not being a second ahead of anyone), and did it for lap after lap without making a mistake and everyone drops back to the narrative (someone told me F1 was boring). His tyres should have been absolutely shot by time he reached the Ferrari and yet it was Charles that made the mistake not him.

If by neutral you mean = don't understand the sport, I get it, but that was a brilliant drive from Hamilton, and I suspect he will be like Ronaldo/Messi (as seems to be the thing with our times), only really appreciated when he retires ..

 

[Kandi1977]

Wow, the old if Hamilton wins it's best car brick again.

The Mercedes hasn't been close to the fastest car all season (since FIA fudged up regulations specifically to neutralize the Mercedes downforce setup), and even when they were fastest they struggle if not in front (clean air) or in the heat (it was 50+ track temp yesterday). The RB's are faster (where the fudge was Perez) and both the Ferrari's and McLarens were competitive (see Bottas needing a pitstop to pass Lando).

The greatest driver the sport has seen pulled out 20+ laps where he was often a second ahead of everyone else in the field (despite the car clearly not being a second ahead of anyone), and did it for lap after lap without making a mistake and everyone drops back to the narrative (someone told me F1 was boring). His tyres should have been absolutely shot by time he reached the Ferrari and yet it was Charles that made the mistake not him.

If by neutral you mean = don't understand the sport, I get it, but that was a brilliant drive from Hamilton, and I suspect he will be like Ronaldo/Messi (as seems to be the thing with our times), only really appreciated when he retires ..

There are two stand out cars this season. Red Bull and Mercedes. The Red Bulls were both out of the picture, leaving a free path for Hamilton. Would he have won if he was in the ferrari? No way.

 

[Baleforce]

I've seen the incident quite a few times now, I don't think it should have been a penalty, Hamilton had the inside for the corner and was going in bang on line.

Irrespective of that, Verstappen needs to learn that sometimes you win the war by losing the battle, Hamilton was all over him, even if he'd held Copse he would have been done down Hanger, he had a massive lead in the championship, it was stupid to put his car in that position so early in the race.

 

[Raziel]

There are two stand out cars this season. Red Bull and Mercedes. The Red Bulls were both out of the picture, leaving a free path for Hamilton. Would he have won if he was in the ferrari? No way.

Yes he would, and again Perez's lack of progress from the back of pack vs. Hamilton's making up a ten second penalty and passing Lando, Bottas and Charles while no one else (including the other Mercedes, RB, Ferrari, McLarens were able to make any inroads) highlights that.

It's such a tired narrative, yes Mercedes usually has a good car (not as much this year) but in the last 8 years, whenever someone else (Ferrari or RB) get ahead for a period, Hamilton is the equalizer.

 

[Raziel]

I've seen the incident quite a few times now, I don't think it should have been a penalty, Hamilton had the inside for the corner and was going in bang on line.

Irrespective of that, Verstappen needs to learn that sometimes you win the war by losing the battle, Hamilton was all over him, even if he'd held Copse he would have been done down Hanger, he had a massive lead in the championship, it was stupid to put his car in that position so early in the race.

I put that on Horner, he's a fudging macaron, Mercedes were under huge pressure (Something like 5 races they haven't registered a win), both Mercedes were likely to be around Max in first lap, fudging be smart, team orders -> make sure you survive first 2-3 laps then evaluate.

2nd place would have given Hamilton/Mercedes a mountain to climb for rest of season, instead he threw the door wide open for both drivers and constructors.

 

[NoLimits01]

oh

There are two stand out cars this season. Red Bull and Mercedes. The Red Bulls were both out of the picture, leaving a free path for Hamilton. Would he have won if he was in the ferrari? No way.

yes he would have

A... because he is the best driver on the grid at the moment
B.. if he was in the Ferrari he would not have let a 10 second lead slip that fast (neither would Max and maybe a few others)
C.. it would have meant that someone else was in the Mercedes so see point A

 

[Kandi1977]

Yes he would, and again Perez's lack of progress from the back of pack vs. Hamilton's making up a ten second penalty and passing Lando, Bottas and Charles while no one else (including the other Mercedes, RB, Ferrari, McLarens were able to make any inroads) highlights that.

It's such a tired narrative, yes Mercedes usually has a good car (not as much this year) but in the last 8 years, whenever someone else (Ferrari or RB) get ahead for a period, Hamilton is the equalizer.

There is a slight difference in having to navigate through from the back, whereas having to pass two. Honestly, even mentioning passing Bottas, who was, as always when he's in front of Hamilton, told to let him pass, is just ridiculous.

 

[Raziel]

There is a slight difference in having to navigate through from the back, whereas having to pass two. Honestly, even mentioning passing Bottas, who was, as always when he's in front of Hamilton, told to let him pass, is just ridiculous.

Mate, he had to get to Bottas to have the orders given.

It's ok mate, Perez finished behind fudging Latifi in a Williams but he gets a pass because whatever, Lewis makes up almost a second a lap for 16+ and it's the car ..

 

[Kandi1977]

Mate, he had to get to Bottas to have the orders given.

It's ok mate, Perez finished behind fudging Latifi in a Williams but he gets a pass because whatever, Lewis makes up almost a second a lap for 16+ and it's the car ..

Perez is a dud. He's nowhere near good enough. It's totally irrelevant. Point is it was a fudging tinkle boring race, with no real competition.
I just look forward to hearing the endless complaints and allegations from Hamilton, when someone flips him off the track at 300 kph. Would never hear the end of it.

 

[scaramanga]

There is a slight difference in having to navigate through from the back, whereas having to pass two. Honestly, even mentioning passing Bottas, who was, as always when he's in front of Hamilton, told to let him pass, is just ridiculous.

Bottas (who is an accomplished driver, himself) had to move aside because he wasn't even close to Hamilton's pace in the same car.

I don't think there's any space for doubt that Hamilton is comfortably the fastest driver on the grid, and quite possibly of all time.

 

[scaramanga]

Something I'd forgotten from that accident, did it look to anyone else as if Verstappen's rear right tyre swung forward and hit him on the head whilst tethered?

If it didn't it was fudging close. Can't understand why the tether would be long enough to let that happen.

Watching again, it looks like the tether held it next to his head and would have been slammed between his head and the barrier.

 

[Baleforce]

Something I'd forgotten from that accident, did it look to anyone else as if Verstappen's rear right tyre swung forward and hit him on the head whilst tethered?

If it didn't it was fudging close. Can't understand why the tether would be long enough to let that happen.

Watching again, it looks like the tether held it next to his head and would have been slammed between his head and the barrier.

I might be wrong, but I think the rules specify a minimum length only.

 

[Kandi1977]

Something I'd forgotten from that accident, did it look to anyone else as if Verstappen's rear right tyre swung forward and hit him on the head whilst tethered?

If it didn't it was fudging close. Can't understand why the tether would be long enough to let that happen.

Watching again, it looks like the tether held it next to his head and would have been slammed between his head and the barrier.

It certainly was a massive impact! 51G! That's gotta hurt in the mornin'!