Federico Fazio

[LCLC]

Still cannot drop your bias against Fazio, can you? [-X

Fazio is miles better than Verthongen and, as has been commented before, the fact that Verts return to form has coincided with Fazio's introduction is anything but coincidental. What Fazio is - that Verthongen will never be - is a leader. There is nothing shameful in this; some players are leaders, others aren't. But Fazio's leadership has taken the organisation of the defence off Verts' shoulders and he has improved as a result.

No I am not. i am giving a reasoned opinion on his performances for us. I thought he was **** in his first few months (like many still do) and when he finally improved I held my hands up and said I was hasty. However, if you seriously think that Lloris hasn't bailed him out several times (or the striker messing up) over the past weeks due to poor positional play or losing the ball in vital areas then you are the one with seriously biased out look. Please note I am not attacking his deficiencies here but simply commentating on various mistakes that he has made recently. If the only component that is needed in a centre half is to shout and win headers then we could have signed a League 2 centre half. Of course Fazio brings a good deal to the table in this side but lets see who moves on for a considerably bigger fee in the future.... Vertonghen acted like a moody **** last year and suddenly people think he's ****? He is head and shoulders a better footballer and centre half than Fazio.

The reason that some people still call Fazio a complete liability is because if they tuned into any Spurs game he will have done some utterly ridiculous things that other players would get crucified for. I have also seen your posts in other threads and you attack a lot of other players who are completely undeserving so a look in the mirror is needed son. if he can cut his errors and mistakes out then he would be a very dependable centre half indeed.

 

[LCLC]

Just to clarify I stated in my previous post that he has been very good in certain games and is commanding the back four well. However he is still very error prone and this has to stop. If people cannot see that then all I can say is that people are giving him a pass unlike other players who frequent our back four

 

[braineclipse]

No I am not. i am giving a reasoned opinion on his performances for us. I thought he was **** in his first few months (like many still do) and when he finally improved I held my hands up and said I was hasty. However, if you seriously think that Lloris hasn't bailed him out several times (or the striker messing up) over the past weeks due to poor positional play or losing the ball in vital areas then you are the one with seriously biased out look. Please note I am not attacking his deficiencies here but simply commentating on various mistakes that he has made recently. If the only component that is needed in a centre half is to shout and win headers then we could have signed a League 2 centre half. Of course Fazio brings a good deal to the table in this side but lets see who moves on for a considerably bigger fee in the future.... Vertonghen acted like a moody **** last year and suddenly people think he's ****? He is head and shoulders a better footballer and centre half than Fazio.

The reason that some people still call Fazio a complete liability is because if they tuned into any Spurs game he will have done some utterly ridiculous things that other players would get crucified for. I have also seen your posts in other threads and you attack a lot of other players who are completely undeserving so a look in the mirror is needed son. if he can cut his errors and mistakes out then he would be a very dependable centre half indeed.

I think most people assume that Fazio is still adjusting to the league and the team and so are holding back a bit with their most scathing criticism. Makes a lot of sense to me.

He does a hell of a lot more than shout and win headers and I agree with Maltese, you really do still seem biased against him. I agree that Vertonghen probably has a higher top level. I think most Spurs fans agree. But there's a big difference between that and being "so far ahead of Fazio in terms of ability and performance".

And he wasn't **** for his first few months.

 

[parklane1]

dont mind him being at fault at all to be honest...even though its a team game the fact remains that he was looking to play in a certain type of philosophy

i would rather he did that then destabilize our team development by constantly hoofing the ball when under any level of pressure

Could not agree more, the number of times our CB"s in the past have just knocked the ball long ( Dawson especially) and we have lost possession

 

[Jordinho]

Could not agree more, the number of times our CB"s in the past have just knocked the ball long ( Dawson especially) and we have lost possession

Fazio may be referred to as the "Argentinian Dawson" because of his physical presence, but has been brought playing a very different type of football and is far superior technically.

 

[braineclipse]

Fazio may be referred to as the "Argentinian Dawson" because of his physical presence, but has been brought playing a very different type of football and is far superior technically.

Unavoidable comparison I suppose, but a cheap one (not accusing you of being the one that came up with it).

Much better on the ball, much better defensively along the ground, actually stronger in the air and seems like a better leader on the pitch.

 

[parklane1]

Fazio may be referred to as the "Argentinian Dawson" because of his physical presence, but has been brought playing a very different type of football and is far superior technically.

Not by me, I believe he is a much better all round player then Daws and the type of CB we have needed for years.

 

[parklane1]

Unavoidable comparison I suppose, but a cheap one (not accusing you of being the one that came up with it).

Much better on the ball, much better defensively along the ground, actually stronger in the air and seems like a better leader on the pitch.

Agree with all that.

 

[Maltese Falcon]

No I am not. i am giving a reasoned opinion on his performances for us. I thought he was **** in his first few months (like many still do) and when he finally improved I held my hands up and said I was hasty. However, if you seriously think that Lloris hasn't bailed him out several times (or the striker messing up) over the past weeks due to poor positional play or losing the ball in vital areas then you are the one with seriously biased out look. Please note I am not attacking his deficiencies here but simply commentating on various mistakes that he has made recently. If the only component that is needed in a centre half is to shout and win headers then we could have signed a League 2 centre half. Of course Fazio brings a good deal to the table in this side but lets see who moves on for a considerably bigger fee in the future.... Vertonghen acted like a moody **** last year and suddenly people think he's ****? He is head and shoulders a better footballer and centre half than Fazio.

We will agree to disagree who is the best. Just because a centre back is more comfortable on the ball does not make him a better defender. Fazio is a better defender in my eyes because he is not only better in the air but also in anticipation and interception. Indeed his biggest deficit is in his ability to turn and obviously his speed - both of which are to expected from his physique. But to be honest, this "my dad is bigger than your dad" playground s**** is irrelevant because TOGETHER Fazio and Verts make a great partnership since one compensates for the deficiencies of the other. I have massive expectations of them both.

The reason that some people still call Fazio a complete liability is because if they tuned into any Spurs game he will have done some utterly ridiculous things that other players would get crucified for. I have also seen your posts in other threads and you attack a lot of other players who are completely undeserving so a look in the mirror is needed son. if he can cut his errors and mistakes out then he would be a very dependable centre half indeed.

I highly doubt you are even close to the age where I would be your son, but whatever. You are precisely right... if you tune into MOTD you will obviously pick up errors like yesterday's. But see the whole match and - even better - speak to people at the ground and they will wax lyrical of Fazio's impenetrable presence, which has seen our Achilles heel (the long ball over the defenders) eliminated and his intelligence in knowing when to tackle, when to anticipate and when to shepherd a faster player wide.

As for the mirror... oh yes, I do criticise players but have never written off a new player after a couple of games, as you stupidly did with Fazio. In addition, my criticism is rarely addressed at the players themselves but at the illogical, irrational and (wait for it) biased approach of many fans who use different yardsticks giving their "untouchables" a thousand benefits of the doubt while slating others for much less. I hate hypocrisy! But you know what, when Lamela turned in that performance against Burnley, I was the first on the forum giving him his deserved praise and did not qualify it with ifs and buts as you have continued to do with Fazio.

 

[LCLC]

We will agree to disagree who is the best. Just because a centre back is more comfortable on the ball does not make him a better defender. Fazio is a better defender in my eyes because he is not only better in the air but also in anticipation and interception. Indeed his biggest deficit is in his ability to turn and obviously his speed - both of which are to expected from his physique. But to be honest, this "my dad is bigger than your dad" playground s**** is irrelevant because TOGETHER Fazio and Verts make a great partnership since one compensates for the deficiencies of the other. I have massive expectations of them both.



I highly doubt you are even close to the age where I would be your son, but whatever. You are precisely right... if you tune into MOTD you will obviously pick up errors like yesterday's. But see the whole match and - even better - speak to people at the ground and they will wax lyrical of Fazio's impenetrable presence, which has seen our Achilles heel (the long ball over the defenders) eliminated and his intelligence in knowing when to tackle, when to anticipate and when to shepherd a faster player wide.

As for the mirror... oh yes, I do criticise players but have never written off a new player after a couple of games, as you stupidly did with Fazio. In addition, my criticism is rarely addressed at the players themselves but at the illogical, irrational and (wait for it) biased approach of many fans who use different yardsticks giving their "untouchables" a thousand benefits of the doubt while slating others for much less. I hate hypocrisy! But you know what, when Lamela turned in that performance against Burnley, I was the first on the forum giving him his deserved praise and did not qualify it with ifs and buts as you have continued to do with Fazio.

Utter BS mate. I held my hands up and said I was too hasty and have said numerous times that he is playing well overall.

What I will argue against is fans saying how great and immense he has been for us, because it simply isn't true. I have been to nearly every game this year and if I have missed one i have watched it on TV..... Trust me there are enough season ticket holders who really dont rate him. My point about MOTD is that someone can't have been 'immense' if in every game he does a couple of shocking things that should have been punished with a goal - you can't say how good someone has been when he loses his man repeatedly or gives the ball away in horrific fashion - there are those moments on every highlight reel someone will watch - they are that glaring that even watching MOTD would make u see his errors.

Has my opinion of him changed? Yes and I have said that he is a good asset in our squad.

Do I think he has been immense? Certainly not and it has to be said IMO. just like I defend some players who I cannot believe you consistently hammer.

Anyway **** this 'he said, she said ' nonsense and keep the thread moving

 

[Maltese Falcon]

Fair enough - we need to agree to disagree.

 

[mudshark]

He's been very good in the air defensively; it'd be nice if he started getting more involved in set-pieces at the other end as well. I think we ought to expect to start seeing his name appear on the scoresheet before too long.

 

[braineclipse]

He's been very good in the air defensively; it'd be nice if he started getting more involved in set-pieces at the other end as well. I think we ought to expect to start seeing his name appear on the scoresheet before too long.

You'd think so with his ability in the air.

9 goals in La Liga in 104 starts in his last 5 seasons with Sevilla (whoscored.com).

 

[LutonSpurs]

Agree with Mumorn. The guy has been very good with the ball at his feet. Playing the high line. Transitioning the ball forward quickly. Intercepting through balls. Winning the ball high up the pitch and driving forward.

Also he wins the odd header.

Good player.

 

[superspurs]

Quite like big Faz, like to think he could grab a few goals with his aerial ability and the likes of Eriksen on set pieces...

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Agree with Mumorn. The guy has been very good with the ball at his feet. Playing the high line. Transitioning the ball forward quickly. Intercepting through balls. Winning the ball high up the pitch and driving forward.

Also he wins the odd header.

Good player.

He has also given the ball away with some shockingly bad runs/decisions/passes.

His good massively outweighs his bad of late and he is working as part of our most effective pairing that has an outstanding Win percentage.

Let's not ignore the errors but also commend the good. He is still settling in and has shown some really leadership qualities too

 

[Lamelad]

Felt he was sublime apart from his error which was due to over confidence. We were buzzing and he tried too hard.

Apart from that, its great to finally have someone good in the air.

 

[JerusalemMan]

What I will argue against is fans saying how great and immense he has been for us, because it simply isn't true. I have been to nearly every game this year and if I have missed one i have watched it on TV..... Trust me there are enough season ticket holders who really dont rate him. My point about MOTD is that someone can't have been 'immense' if in every game he does a couple of shocking things that should have been punished with a goal - you can't say how good someone has been when he loses his man repeatedly or gives the ball away in horrific fashion - there are those moments on every highlight reel someone will watch - they are that glaring that even watching MOTD would make u see his errors.

I read that and wondered what the equivalent would be for a striker.
...someone can't have been 'immense' if in every game he misses a couple of great chances that should have resulted in a goal - you can't say how good someone has been when they miss chances repeatedly...?

And yet...that then means far less if the player ALSO scores or assists a couple.
Do we expect perfection from players? Every chance to be converted, every tackle to be timed to perfection, every save to be made?
Or do we want a very high percentage? Enough for the 'couple of shocking things' you mention to be more than mitigated by the other very good work done in the rest of the match. Which, in Fazio's case, piles up in through balls blocked, interceptions made, tackles well-timed, aerial threats nullified, colleagues co-ordinated, opponents movement disrupted etc etc.

Of course with attacking players it only needs a couple of things to go right for us to win and them to be the hero, whereas for keepers and defenders it only needs a couple to go wrong for them to be the villain as we lose. Which perhaps only serves to illustrate the disproportionate weight of expectation and the pressure upon them.

 

[SteveAWOL]

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[spurs' magna carter]

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