Heisenburg
Scott Houghton
In that same vein then should thousands be arrested and put in prison for singing the Wenger/Mccann song?
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jts1882
Dean Richards
No one is restricting his freedom of speech, he can say what he wants to his friends etc. What is being questioned is his freedom to broadcast that speech and impose it on others. If he chooses to use a public forum like Facebook then he has to be responsible for his actions. You can't have freedom and liberty without responsibility (although I realise the US Supreme Court disagrees, the Founders would agree).
I suspect that a joke in the joke thread here would be treated differently. To read it you have to take the decision to go on something called a joke thread, which should give an indication that things in it are not serious. There is an implicit warning that is absent on something like Facebook.
I suspect that a joke in the joke thread here would be treated differently. To read it you have to take the decision to go on something called a joke thread, which should give an indication that things in it are not serious. There is an implicit warning that is absent on something like Facebook.
Superted
Jonathan Woodgate
They probably should coz it's a horrible song but obviously it won't happen. But you can bet if her parents or a pollie complained to the FA you'd see the clubs penalized harshly for that song.
Any Spurs fan who songs that song but complains about the Chelscum hissing noises is a hypocrite.
Baleforce
Les Bennett
i don't use facebook so i may be wrong about this, but as i understand it (from my facebook junkie wife) only your friends can see what you put on there, right? so to see this someone would have to be "friends" with him then look at his page to see the joke
so if he was actually a friend of family and he made this joke he's an even bigger cnut, but he still shouldn't be going to prison
WookieD
Didier Zokora
But Facebook ISN'T a public forum. People reposting or commenting on it may make it public to their own group of friends and it snowballs from there. So actually, his "friends" that took incredulity to his joke and commented on it are probably the very people that gave it a public forum by commenting. Facebook is a completely different platorm to Twitter. If he'd have put it on Twitter then he deserves whatever is thrown at him, but Facebook SHOULD be a little more discreet than that.
I guess the only caveat to that is if he has his settings to make all posts public, in which case he is a clown. To be fair he is a clown either way, but, I don't think that he should be penalised for other people making his post public, which I'm guessing is the case here?
Baleforce
Les Bennett
i'd argue twitter is the same as facebook, its been years since twitter have shown the public feed, if you put something on twitter its only seen by those who have chosen to follow you (unless you direct it at or mention a specific twitter user)
to shoehorn a real world analogy in, if he'd gone to their front door and shouted it through the letterbox then thats a crime, if they've gone to his house and eavesdropped through an open window, thats a different matter
to shoehorn a real world analogy in, if he'd gone to their front door and shouted it through the letterbox then thats a crime, if they've gone to his house and eavesdropped through an open window, thats a different matter
jts1882
Dean Richards
I was assuming the his comments were public. If they were restricted to his actual friends and they repost the comments publicly then they should be the ones considered responsible.
The reports seem unclear on how public his comments were: "The court was told Woods's Facebook page was available to a large number of people". They also don't report what the sexually explicit comments were. It may be that making sexually explicit comments about a five-year old girl is considered more offensive (paedophilic writings?) than tasteless jokes about a murder victim.
BushHillSpurs
Banned
Just to throw it into the mix -
Here is another interesting article.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-19883828
So, some guy gets three months bird for posting something about a missing kid.
Yet, another gets a let off after posting horrific comments about British troops very soon after the death of six.
Hmm, one rule for some?
Here is another interesting article.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-19883828
So, some guy gets three months bird for posting something about a missing kid.
Yet, another gets a let off after posting horrific comments about British troops very soon after the death of six.
Hmm, one rule for some?
One rule for white working class one rule for everyone else
BushHillSpurs
Banned
I just think the authorities should leave social media completely alone.
If they bother themselves with all this crap then they are not going to have any time doing "Real" policing on the streets.
I always thought we lived in a democracy aswell. Not a stasi like dictatorship.
If they bother themselves with all this crap then they are not going to have any time doing "Real" policing on the streets.
I always thought we lived in a democracy aswell. Not a stasi like dictatorship.
Heisenburg
Scott Houghton
The bloke posted the "joke" on his wall, someone in his friends list took exeption and posted a screen grab on one of the find April pages on Facebook. This is how it all came about, now surely the person posting the screen grab is the one causing direct distress to the friends and family not the guy who posted the original.
Superted
Jonathan Woodgate
Hard to disagree with that.
jts1882
Dean Richards
If that is what happened then the secondary posters are the ones that should have been charged, or perhaps both.
If one of your friends made a comment in private about a particular race or religious deserving to die and you repeated that remark to a group of that race/religion, you would be charged, not the friend making the original comment in private. Would you be absolved if you taped him and played his message to the group. I doubt it.
WookieD
Didier Zokora
This is exactly what I have suspected. As bad a "joke" as he may have told (I still haven't read it and don't intend to), it is the business of criminality that intersts me here and exactly why I mentioned blue comedians. He put a joke out in front of a private audience and someone else ran with it and broadast it to the world.
It actually reminds me of a joke that Jimmy Carr made about amputees to an audience made up of the forces. The joke was well received and the house was laughing.... Should have been the end of it but an MP brought it to public attention looking for Jimmy Carr's head. fudging ridiculous, not least because Carr had actually tried the joke out with some of the guys at Selly Oak hospital and they thought it was hilarious.
He judged his audience correctly and they thought it was funny, it was other people taking the joke to an audience it wasn't intended for that caused the problem.
WookieD
Didier Zokora
That was the one.
Richie
Naybet
It is a big deal. Offending people should not, and cannot be, a crime
jts1882
Dean Richards
What about sexually explicit jokes about five year old girls? That presumably has a target audience. The poor bloke was taken out of context