Fabio Paratici - Consultant

[SpurMeUp]

Young players should play because they are ready not because we have no other options. Scarlett is not ready, there is a chance his poor performances may affect his confidence and negatively affect his development.

The ideal scenario is for him to be coming on towards the end of matches we are comfortable in. Not games where he spends 90 minutes running around aimlessly and barely touching the ball. That isn't going to build his confidence at all.

with respect that’s a load of cobblers. The model you outline/aspire to is basically Emirates Marketing Project. Limited sub appearances in games that are won. As a youth player that won’t teach you much will it?

I disagree that Scarlett has put in “poor performances”. Not sure why you are so negative about a highly promising player. I thought he’s done okay without much service. He will have had a taste of top flight real competitive football and know more about what he has to deliver playing at the top. You can’t simulate that or teach it, you have to experience being the main guy. And it will help him to develop. That is why all youth prospects want games. That is why many leave the likes of City, United and Chelsea. You’re ‘ideal scenario’ is not ideal for youth players who wish to make it. Far from it.

we need to sign a top quality forward who is competing and rotating. We don’t want another Janssen. For the third tier cups we should be giving youth games shouldn’t we?

 

[Bishop]

with respect that’s a load of cobblers. The model you outline/aspire to is basically Emirates Marketing Project. Limited sub appearances in games that are won. As a youth player that won’t teach you much will it?

I disagree that Scarlett has put in “poor performances”. Not sure why you are so negative about a highly promising player. I thought he’s done okay without much service. He will have had a taste of top flight real competitive football and know more about what he has to deliver playing at the top. You can’t simulate that or teach it, you have to experience being the main guy. And it will help him to develop. That is why all youth prospects want games. That is why many leave the likes of City, United and Chelsea. You’re ‘ideal scenario’ is not ideal for youth players who wish to make it. Far from it.

we need to sign a top quality forward who is competing and rotating. We don’t want another Janssen. For the third tier cups we should be giving youth games shouldn’t we?

Youth players who are ready yes. Scarlett clearly isn't. That's the issue here I believe on merit based selection you seem to believe in selection for selections sake. If Scarlett were ready I'd have no problem him starting, I'd encourage it even. Take Devine for example what I've seen of him I think yes he could play a part because he looks ready. Scarlett doesn't. He has played poorly, he's basically been none existent. You keep mentioning Vinnie and Janssen but they were better than Scarlett has been. [emoji1787]so if you don't they are worth starting why is Scarlett?

Re his development football performances are largely to do with confidence a smaller degree of suitability. If we kill his confidence which I think is likely (he got subbed for flipping winger the other day) then it's not going to help his development.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Youth players who are ready yes. Scarlett clearly isn't. That's the issue here I believe on merit based selection you seem to believe in selection for selections sake. If Scarlett were ready I'd have no problem him starting, I'd encourage it even. Take Devine for example what I've seen of him I think yes he could play a part because he looks ready. Scarlett doesn't. He has played poorly, he's basically been none existent. You keep mentioning Vinnie and Janssen but they were better than Scarlett has been. [emoji1787]so if you don't they are worth starting why is Scarlett?

Re his development football performances are largely to do with confidence a smaller degree of suitability. If we kill his confidence which I think is likely (he got subbed for flipping winger the other day) then it's not going to help his development.

i think you’re letting your pre-judgment affect what you saw. Scarlett didn’t play badly. He didn’t miss clear cut chances. Janssen regularly did, as did Vini if we are honest with ourselves. The later are more developed but less skilful. Scarlett is a finisher. The likes of Mourinho have seen him in training and know what he is capable of. But training and real competitive games are totally different. You have to be able to do it on the big stage. How do you think you learn how to do that? What would you suggest is the best way to learn how to perform in competitive football? Your first suggestion was to play in already won games for 5 minutes.

Instead we’re giving real opportunity in lessor games instead of buying average backups.

ps haven’t watch the Burnley game yet, don’t know the team or result. Hope it’s worth it will stay off here until later

 

[Finney Is Back]

A footballer playing football will damage their career. If you look for every angle to be negative about the management then you will turn this into a stick to beat your drum. In previous times, we'd celebrate youth players being given a chance. We have that over the likes of City who lose their prospects to Germany, where they are played and given chances. Mourinho went on record as saying Scarlett will be one of the best. Shame our fans can't get behind him too. We give youth a chance in the European third-tier competition and we're 'ruining their careers'

As outlined previously, the likes of Vinicius or Janssen probably wouldn't have added anything more than Scarlette. Personally, I'd prefer us saving our millions for an average forward and spending more money on a player who will start games regularly; while also giving our young players a chance. When Spurs try to recruit the best prospects, we don't offer the most money, we offer the best oppotunities. We point to the 5 youth graduates in our squad. If you are good enough you'll get games. And that is something you don't like?

As you write me off as somebody who just likes to criticise Levy, perhaps you'll take a look at what @parklane1 has written instead. @parklane1 takes the complete opposite view to me on Daniel Levy and also has been involved in youth coaching for a number of years.

Also Vinicius certainly added significantly more than Scarlett (as he scored goals in European competition one level higher than the one that we are playing in this year that Scarlett is looking lost in).

 

[Finney Is Back]

i think you’re letting your pre-judgment affect what you saw. Scarlett didn’t play badly. He didn’t miss clear cut chances. Janssen regularly did, as did Vini if we are honest with ourselves. The later are more developed but less skilful. Scarlett is a finisher. The likes of Mourinho have seen him in training and know what he is capable of. But training and real competitive games are totally different. You have to be able to do it on the big stage. How do you think you learn how to do that? What would you suggest is the best way to learn how to perform in competitive football? Your first suggestion was to play in already won games for 5 minutes.

Instead we’re giving real opportunity in lessor games instead of buying average backups.

ps haven’t watch the Burnley game yet, don’t know the team or result. Hope it’s worth it will stay off here until later

Scarlett isn't going to miss clear cut chances as he isn't going to get any.... He isn't good enough yet to get in those positions to have them.

Scarlett is currently at an age where under 23 football will still be very good for him (in fact under 23 football is still probably a stretch for him). He won't be head and shoulders better than the players at that level. If Scarlett shows that he can dominate at that level then he should probably go out on loan to learn how to play real men's football where the players rely on their win bonus to pay their mortgage or kids school fees or whatever. In the various age group games that I have seen our youngsters play Alfie Devine looks to be more dominant than Scarlett does but isn't getting first team games because we're not desperate for midfielders.

I know you want to stick to your guns here mate, but it has been clear to see that Scarlett has been quite considerably out of his depth in the first team games that he has played. Confidence can be a delicate thing with young players and, as @parklane1 has also touched upon we may well be doing more harm than good to the kid right now.

 

[Bishop]

i think you’re letting your pre-judgment affect what you saw. Scarlett didn’t play badly. He didn’t miss clear cut chances. Janssen regularly did, as did Vini if we are honest with ourselves. The later are more developed but less skilful. Scarlett is a finisher. The likes of Mourinho have seen him in training and know what he is capable of. But training and real competitive games are totally different. You have to be able to do it on the big stage. How do you think you learn how to do that? What would you suggest is the best way to learn how to perform in competitive football? Your first suggestion was to play in already won games for 5 minutes.

Instead we’re giving real opportunity in lessor games instead of buying average backups.

ps haven’t watch the Burnley game yet, don’t know the team or result. Hope it’s worth it will stay off here until later [emoji3526]

I have no pre judgment I'm basing my opinion on the games he has played. You're right he hasn't missed any clear cut chances because he's been no where to getting any shots on target period. [emoji28]

Don't misunderstand me I have nothing against him and I believe he will one day be an option for us. But right now he isn't offering any at all. No presence, no link up, no goal threat. I do think we are possibly damaging his confidence. There are no top players that were just thrown before they were ready. They were all coaxed in gradually when they reached the appropriate level. Playing him now is desperation and is not good for his overall development. I want him to be a success. I don't want him playing games and feeling the pressure of failure, he should be getting games where he can come in and be free and just enjoy the moments. We aren't giving him that kind of quality development time.

 

[afsoc4life]

Scarlett's problem is lack of physicality. If he had that then he could withstand the challenges as he gains experience. Also the decision making of the players behind him - dear lord!!

 

[SpurMeUp]

As you write me off a somebody who just likes to criticise Levy, perhaps you'll take a look at what @statlover1 has written instead. @statlover1 takes the complete opposite view to me on Daniel Levy and also has been involved in youth coaching for a number of years.

Also Vinicius certainly added significantly more than Scarlett (as he scored goals in European competition one level higher than the one that we are playing in this year that Scarlett is looking lost in).

No Scarlett is far more of a player than Vinicius. He's hardly put a foot wrong in the games he's played. Not his fault he didn't get much service. Had Scarlett played the exact game Kane played against Burnley you'd be castigating him. We need to have much more patience for youth players and give them far more support. Scarlett has earned his place with the squad, he is there on merit, despite what you - and others - say.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Scarlett isn't going to miss clear cut chances as he isn't going to get any.... He isn't good enough yet to get in those positions to have them.

This really is gonads. He knows how to make runs, and if you'd watched him play you can see he's eager to show for the ball. Maybe too eager as he settles. At 17 of course he will improve, but saying he can't get into goal-scoring positions is slander!

Scarlett is currently at an age where under 23 football will still be very good for him (in fact under 23 football is still probably a stretch for him). He won't be head and shoulders better than the players at that level. If Scarlett shows that he can dominate at that level then he should probably go out on loan to learn how to play real men's football where the players rely on their win bonus to pay their mortgage or kids school fees or whatever. In the various age group games that I have seen our youngsters play Alfie Devine looks to be more dominant than Scarlett does but isn't getting first team games because we're not desperate for midfielders.

I know you want to stick to your guns here mate, but it has been clear to see that Scarlett has been quite considerably out of his depth in the first team games that he has played. Confidence can be a delicate thing with young players and, as @statlover1 has also touched upon we may well be doing more harm than good to the kid right now.

Care to mention a game and talk over how he was lacking? Confidence is vital, and having your own fans against you, is a sad state of affairs. A manager and squad that can get behind him, build him up, and let him do his thing, is all the kid needs. The talent is there.

 

[Finney Is Back]

This really is gonad*s. He knows how to make runs, and if you'd watched him play you can see he's eager to show for the ball. Maybe too eager as he settles. At 17 of course he will improve, but saying he can't get into goal-scoring positions is slander!



Care to mention a game and talk over how he was lacking? Confidence is vital, and having your own fans against you, is a sad state of affairs. A manager and squad that can get behind him, build him up, and let him do his thing, is all the kid needs. The talent is there.

I have been to almost every game this season and the fans haven't been against Scarlett at all, you are talking nonsense there. The fans want Scarlett to do well, just as I do. It is just abundantly clear that at 17 years old he isn't yet anywhere near good enough to play at this level.... There are only a very tiny fraction of very special 17 year olds who are.

'If I had watched him play'.... I have watched him play, most of the time live. I'm sorry but he isn't getting into goal scoring positions, he isn't making particularly good runs, when he is making runs he isn't timing them particularly well, he isn't finding space and he isn't able to make up for the fact that he is not yet fully developed in terms of his physicality against opponents who are stronger than him, more experienced than him, better positionally than him and don't still have lots to learn. He's not holding the ball up, he's not really playing a role in attacking moves and he's not getting into goal scoring positions. How you can think he is doing well baffles me, he isn't offering anything that helps the team right now at all.

I know the talent is there, I have never claimed he has no talent. I have seen his talent in age group football and believe that he is probably more likely than not to have a career as a PL level footballer (and I would not say that about many 17 year old footballers and the only other Spurs academy player I would say that about at the moment is Alfie Devine). There is a huge difference though between a player being a talented 17 year old and a player being ready for first team men's football. Scarlett is the former and probably won't be the latter for 2 to 3 years.

 

[JerusalemMan]

I have been to almost every game this season and the fans haven't been against Scarlett at all, you are talking nonsense there. The fans want Scarlett to do well, just as I do. It is jusy abundantly clear that at 17 years old he isn't yet anywhere near good enough to play at this level.... There are only a very tiny fraction of very special 17 year olds who are.

'If I had watched him play'.... I have watched him play, most of the time live. I'm sorry but he isn't getting into goal scoring positions, he isn't making particularly good runs, when he is making runs he isn't timing them particularly well, he isn't finding space and he isn't able to make up for the fact that he is not yet fully developed in terms of his physicality against opponents who are stronger than him, more experienced than him, better positionally than him and don't still have lots to learn. He's not holding the ball up, he's not really playing a role in attacking moves and he's not getting into goal scoring positions. How you can think he is doing well baffles me, he isn't offering anything that helps the team right now at all.

I know the talent is there, I have never claimed he has no talent. I have seen his talent in age group football and believe that he is probably more likely than not to have a career as a PL level footballer (and I would not say that about many 17 year old footballers and the only other Spurs academy player I would say that about at the moment is Alfie Devine). There is a huge difference though between a player being a talented 17 year old and a player being ready for first team men's football. Scarlett is the former and probably won't be the latter for 2 to 3 years.

This seems like very sound analysis

 

[Gazza Dazzla]

Tbf to Scarlett I think it would have been good to see him play with a few of the first team players as well. Not many players are looking good in those scratch/2nd eleven sides we are putting out and not many (if any) chances are being created.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Tbf to Scarlett I think it would have been good to see him play with a few of the first team players as well. Not many players are looking good in those scratch/2nd eleven sides we are putting out and not many (if any) chances are being created.

I definitely think it's the other way round. Against Mura for instance Lo Celso, Gil and Alli were quite on it, but the movement by Scarlett was just not there. I'm firmly in the camp that it's too soon for him and keeping trying him at the moment is actually doing harm to his long term development.

 

[Gazza Dazzla]

I definitely think it's the other way round. Against Mura for instance Lo Celso, Gil and Alli were quite on it, but the movement by Scarlett was just not there. I'm firmly in the camp that it's too soon for him and keeping trying him at the moment is actually doing harm to his long term development.

I’m in the camp it’s too soon as well, just trying to play devils advocate.

 

[AdamB]

I definitely think it's the other way round. Against Mura for instance Lo Celso, Gil and Alli were quite on it, but the movement by Scarlett was just not there. I'm firmly in the camp that it's too soon for him and keeping trying him at the moment is actually doing harm to his long term development.

Agreed. Having a senior CF in that game, even if just a big lump of a CF, would have made a huge difference

 

[parklane1]

I do not think anyone is saying that Scarlett is not good enough to have a very good carear in the game ( lets hope it is here) BUT he is NOT ready yet and the more games he gets without showing how good he could become is not going to help him. Most young players are not that confident when thrust into the first team and if THEY feel they are not affecting the game ( and in all honesty he has not done so) that confidence can become a burden and he will/may start to doubt his ability.

He is a kid in a mans game and needs to be handled the right way, playing him as a starter may damage that confidence (imo)

 

[glasgowspur]

I do not think anyone is saying that Scarlett is not good enough to have a very good carear in the game ( lets hope it is here) BUT he is NOT ready yet and the more games he gets without showing how good he could become is not going to help him. Most young players are not that confident when thrust into the first team and if THEY feel they are not affecting the game ( and in all honesty he has not done so) that confidence can become a burden and he will/may start to doubt his ability.

He is a kid in a mans game and needs to be handled the right way, playing him as a starter may damage that confidence (imo)

Playing him in a team struggling to create is doing no one any favours.
Our scoring record with son and Kane in the team is shocking, what's it going to be like with a 17 year old and a makeshift team behind him.
Madness.

 

[parklane1]

Playing him in a team struggling to create is doing no one any favours.
Our scoring record with son and Kane in the team is shocking, what's it going to be like with a 17 year old and a makeshift team behind him.
Madness.

tickle my balls with a feather, the kid looks like he COULD have a big future in the game but as i ( and others have said) he is not ready and we are doing him no favours by putting pressure on him to perform.

 

[glasgowspur]

tickle my balls with a feather, the kid looks like he COULD have a big future in the game but as i ( and others have said) he is not ready and we are doing him no favours by putting pressure on him to perform.

Yeah, what happens if we get knocked out, he gets tarred with tge usual bottler tag.
We could ruin this lad before his career starts.

 

[parklane1]

Yeah, what happens if we get knocked out, he gets tarred with tge usual bottler tag.
We could ruin this lad before his career starts.

Seen that happen to a lot of kids over the years at different clubs.