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FA Cup 23/24

DeanoAustin said:
Yeah, it's a fair point. But I still can't agree with it - sacking a proven trophy winner 6 days before a cup final is not what big clubs do even if Jose was a busted flush for us at that point. He still had a puncher's chance at winning that game - far more so than Mason.

Good business decision? Perhaps. Good football decision? I don't see it.

To be clear, I'm not a Levy basher or ENIC-out merchant by any stretch of the imagination. But every time I praise Levy, I do add the "he's made mistakes" disclaimer. This is one of those mistakes IMO.
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It wasn't so much about the cup. It was that mourinho seemed to be giving up on a cl place. Resting players for the cup final. Levy and mourinho had a big argument. Things said. Mourinho gone.

Yes for fans and the manager a cup is more important. But for the club/levy cl is.

Cl £50-100m.
Fa cup £2m
League cup £500k.
 
Lilbaz said:
It wasn't so much about the cup. It was that mourinho seemed to be giving up on a cl place. Resting players for the cup final. Levy and mourinho had a big argument. Things said. Mourinho gone.

Yes for fans and the manager a cup is more important. But for the club/levy cl is.

Cl £50-100m.
Fa cup £2m
League cup £500k.
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Giving up on a CL place? We were 7th, next to no chance of getting top 4 that season. And it was one game potentially being sacrificed, not the rest of the season....
 
Lilbaz said:
It wasn't so much about the cup. It was that mourinho seemed to be giving up on a cl place. Resting players for the cup final. Levy and mourinho had a big argument. Things said. Mourinho gone.

Yes for fans and the manager a cup is more important. But for the club/levy cl is.

Cl £50-100m.
Fa cup £2m
League cup £500k.
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The chances of making CL were slight. Looking at it now, we had to win the last 6 games. Not sure when the last time we won 6 consecutive league games and, in my 40 years supporting the club, that's been a rare occurrence. Think we did it under Poch towards the end of 16/17 but can't remember doing it other than that (Jol came close with his first wins IIRC). We did lose to Villa and Leeds and won the other 4 so you could say it was possible but history wasn't on our side.

This is where you look at Levy's priorities of business over trophies because undoubtedly he wants both - it's just about what importance he puts on both relative to each other. He seems like he'd rather take any chance of CL qualification over a much better chance of a domestic pot. And there is logic in that approach - but it's not really about footballing achievement - at least not in the short-medium term. And that's the argument his detractors throw at him regularly.
 
DeanoAustin said:
The chances of making CL were slight. Looking at it now, we had to win the last 6 games. Not sure when the last time we won 6 consecutive league games and, in my 40 years supporting the club, that's been a rare occurrence. Think we did it under Poch towards the end of 16/17 but can't remember doing it other than that (Jol came close with his first wins IIRC). We did lose to Villa and Leeds and won the other 4 so you could say it was possible but history wasn't on our side.

This is where you look at Levy's priorities of business over trophies because undoubtedly he wants both - it's just about what importance he puts on both relative to each other. He seems like he'd rather take any chance of CL qualification over a much better chance of a domestic pot. And there is logic in that approach - but it's not really about footballing achievement - at least not in the short-medium term. And that's the argument his detractors throw at him regularly.
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Not saying he was right. I want a trophy as much as the next fan.

But lets face it the whole world prioritises the cl over domestic cups. That's why the winnings for each are such a difference.
 
Lilbaz said:
Not saying he was right. I want a trophy as much as the next fan.

But lets face it the whole world prioritises the cl over domestic cups. That's why the winnings for each are such a difference.
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Jose certainly didn’t albeit it’s a fair argument and I get the point. I can’t see any other club sacking their manager 6 days before a cup final though.
 
DeanoAustin said:
Jose certainly didn’t albeit it’s a fair argument and I get the point. I can’t see any other club sacking their manager 6 days before a cup final though.
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As said above there was probably more to it.

I seriously doubt it was anything to do with bonuses though. How much of a bonus do you get for winning a competition that pays out £500k?
 
DeanoAustin said:
The chances of making CL were slight. Looking at it now, we had to win the last 6 games. Not sure when the last time we won 6 consecutive league games and, in my 40 years supporting the club, that's been a rare occurrence. Think we did it under Poch towards the end of 16/17 but can't remember doing it other than that (Jol came close with his first wins IIRC). We did lose to Villa and Leeds and won the other 4 so you could say it was possible but history wasn't on our side.

This is where you look at Levy's priorities of business over trophies because undoubtedly he wants both - it's just about what importance he puts on both relative to each other. He seems like he'd rather take any chance of CL qualification over a much better chance of a domestic pot. And there is logic in that approach - but it's not really about footballing achievement - at least not in the short-medium term. And that's the argument his detractors throw at him regularly.
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Spot on mate. That’s why I scoff at the notion that he’s the best chairman in the league/world. Commercially he most definitely would be in the conversation but on football matters I don’t see how anyone can say that with our lack of silverware.
 
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