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European Super League - Dead on arrival

Bedfordspurs said:
People forget that for most clubs ultimately their walking or running adverts for their sponsors
In reality there are 3 trophies to win... 4 if your in Europe
If fans want trophies and glory it generally comes on one off games (West Ham’s cup final vs us)
But owners and clubs don’t care about one off games in reality. That doesn’t pay the bills or bring in revenue
The machine is designed to feed the hunk of burning love that is players wages and fees
That’s has grown off the back of foods clubs spending money they couldn’t sustainably afford on players that generally weren’t worth the money they were paying, but needed to bump up the clubs stature
It’s exactly why chelsea and City are fully on board with this as their advantage has been negated. Their cheat mode is gone so in theory it’s a more even playing field at the top... but much worse at the bottom
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I think the SL would negate their advantage even more, within the league, but it protects them from a bigger fish coming along long term.
 
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Me and my mates going to Hamburg Bayern a few years back
Great fun, great experience, and just a quality weekend
It’s exactly what could happen over here with destination football
 
Not buying the «X and Y is already bad/hypocrites/etc so we may as well embrace Z» line of reasoning. So fudging lazy.
 
harr1984 said:
How would it be for nothing? The Champions League will still exist and there will be better sides than them for them to put their wits against....
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Part of the problem right now is that the announcement has understandably thrown everyone into a tizzy and there is no clear picture yet of how the new super league will interact with the PL, or what the CL/EL competitions will look like, or what the impact will be on TV revenues and a whole host of other questions. I don't think anyone can say for certain that things will carry on the same for the clubs not in the ESL.
 
it's kinda gone under the radar that the new CL format also includes invitations based on historical performance

I assume they wanted to make sure they could still have Liverpool in it next season if they bottled top 4
 
Baleforce said:
it's kinda gone under the radar that the new CL format also includes invitations based on historical performance

I assume they wanted to make sure they could still have Liverpool in it next season if they bottled top 4
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Yes, I think this helps us massively.

"The final two places will go to the clubs with the highest club co-efficient over the last five years that have not qualified for the Champions League group stage but have qualified either for the Champions League qualification phase, the Europa League or the Europa Conference League"

We're 14th in the coefficients at the moment, and most of the teams above us would expect to qualify for the CL. At the moment, Chelsea and Liverpool are outside the CL places so would benefit before us, but generally this is a bit help for us.

I think it could also be part of the middle ground compomise with the ESL - maybe by expanding these two places to say 4 or 6 (as well as other changes)
 
Mr Gogolak said:
Couldn't agree more. It's become something different but regulations kept it in a 'gray zone' where people like me could turn a blind eye on the increasing focus on the financial part of the game. It's reached the point now where most leagues are a one-two-or three-horse race. Regardless of whether the ESL happens next season, it will happen as more and more people lose interest in domestic leagues. Even we are years away from winning the Premier League, so it's quite a feat to be invited to the big boys' club.

So long as you could pretend it's the same game you watched and played when you were a kid, it worked. Now that they're killing the ambiguity, people will have to take a stand (love it or leave it).
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Bingo.
A lot of the current noise will ultimately end with just that. Noise. As people realise all they can do is shout but not effect real change. And will they end up watching this new 'product' anyway? Or are they afraid that too many people (but not them) will watch it? And if a lot of people watch it, then it's supplying the market. If a lot of people don't want it and show there's no demand, then it's going to fail.

This Super League, if it happens, is another few steps down the path that began years ago.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I’ll tell him that and see his reaction
Thsi is two Everton fans and two Spurs fans
We have all said we would bin out season tickets in the new world and enjoy a few overseas games like Derp Much more fun. No stress and a quality time
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is he likely to rip off his gilet?
 
balesleftboot said:
Andy Murray has won Grand Slams. We haven't won the league in 60 years. The rest of the football world are laughing at our inclusion.
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I’ve seen a few snide comments about our inclusion and we are at the bottom end of the cut off but I see it as jealousy rather than laughter.
I do want to caveat I am not a fan if what has been decided but Andy Murray isn’t being invited just as a former slam winner per se, it’s because his inclusion generates interest from spectators and media.

A better example would be a British player getting a wild card for Wimbledon. The rationale for inclusion in this competition is global interest, which is why the 6th biggest prem team is deemed important enough to have a place in the founding 12. I don’t like it, but it’s the growth of the sport as a global entertainment industry that has created what is being proposed. It’s basically an extension of the pre season tournaments we have been invited to in the past!
 
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AdamB said:
Yes, I think this helps us massively.

"The final two places will go to the clubs with the highest club co-efficient over the last five years that have not qualified for the Champions League group stage but have qualified either for the Champions League qualification phase, the Europa League or the Europa Conference League"

We're 14th in the coefficients at the moment, and most of the teams above us would expect to qualify for the CL. At the moment, Chelsea and Liverpool are outside the CL places so would benefit before us, but generally this is a bit help for us.

I think it could also be part of the middle ground compomise with the ESL - maybe by expanding these two places to say 4 or 6 (as well as other changes)
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Given the huge financial disparities that have evolved, they could make qualification to the CL based on seeding and some qualifying rounds. If England have 7 places in European competitions and all the qualifying clubs have high coefficients, they all go into the CL. If you're West Ham and qualify for the first time you have to enter a qualifying round. Lose that and you're in the EL or the new conference league if you go out in the earliest qualifying rounds. No dropping down once the proper competitions have started.

You can have a bigger group stage than we do today to guarantee more matches, but money should be divided slightly more evenly among the different competitions. This would benefit the big leagues as they'll get more teams in the CL and also the biggest clubs in smaller leagues that are now relegated to the EL thanks to the overall poor performances of their compatriots. Also retains some level of competitiveness as you have to perform both domestically and in Europe to keep qualifying.
 
Baleforce said:
Agreed, but it's a step further down the current path rather than a change of direction imo.
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A massive leap rather than just a step imo. And a qualitative change with the proposed automatic participation for the founding clubs. But yes, down the current path, no doubt about that.
 
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