Eric Dier

[awesome dawson]

Funny how things seem when clouded by judgment and how they can be contradicted with facts.

Look at his passes which weren't sideways. A majority of his forward passes went to opposition players.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Look at his passes which weren't sideways. A majority of his forward passes went to opposition players.

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Yep
That shows partly how poor some were, and partly how poor the defence to attack link up was.
I remember one simple pass to Davies (it’s the short one top left) and Ben just left for their player as he completely switched off. Whose fault is that ?

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Because Sanchez is an excellent defender. So you pair him with someone who can pass or put midfielders in front of him who can take the ball from him. Whether or not Sissoko and Sanchez played it safe, Dier's passing was repeatedly poor and put us in trouble. That coupled with a poor defensive display ( not helped by Davies being poor too), made it a day to forget for Dier. But we can give him and Davies the benefit of the doubt until they have a run of games under their belt.

We had more possession , more shots, more shots in target and I think more corners. We weren’t out until trouble because of defensive passing otherwise they would have had a lot more shots than they did. We were in trouble because they put pressure on our midfield and we didn’t respond

 

[Finney Is Back]

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Once in a blue moon, that does not make him a reliable long passer. If I could be bothered to make a compilation of all his errant long passes the video would be rather long.

I think he is fine when he has time (as is just about every professional footballer in the a World). The problem comes when he is pressed and it seems that the opposition teams have all now realized this and target him as a player to press.

 

[Finney Is Back]

We had more possession , more shots, more shots in target and I think more corners. We weren’t out until trouble because of defensive passing otherwise they would have had a lot more shots than they did. We were in trouble because they put pressure on our midfield and we didn’t respond

I disagree here. Those things you suggest would indicate that our midfield were on top overall. Sheff Utd looked dangerous due to the number of times we gave away the ball in our own half. Dier seemed the chief culprit to me from my seat in the South stand.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I disagree here. Those things you suggest would indicate that our midfield were on top overall. Sheff Utd looked dangerous due to the number of times we gave away the ball in our own half. Dier seemed the chief culprit to me from my seat in the South stand.

I’m stating actual facts though. We had all the things I said, more possession, shots, passes, everything other than tackles
If you look at the turnover stats too it’s the midfield that got done. Every time we had it in midfield we were swarmed on and lost it

 

[Finney Is Back]

I’m stating actual facts though. We had all the things I said, more possession, shots, passes, everything other than tackles
If you look at the turnover stats too it’s the midfield that got done. Every time we had it in midfield we were swarmed on and lost it

Dier gave the ball away 8 times in our own half.... That seems a very high number to me. Did any other player get close that?

 

[scaramanga]

Look at his passes which weren't sideways. A majority of his forward passes went to opposition players.

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Which was a small subset of his overall passing.

The extension of what you're saying is that his passes were accurate when people made themselves available to receive them

 

[Modric THFC]

Look at his passes which weren't sideways. A majority of his forward passes went to opposition players.

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Here what I posted at half time

http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/commun...-v-sheffield-united.10349/page-9#post-1255836
"We can't play or from the back with Sanchez still poor as passing, Dier having to use his left foot in the wrong side and Sissoko dropping back for a 2 years pass.

At least Dier it's trying to get it forward unsuccessfully."

It ended up that Sanchez and Sissoko refused to play the ball forward and left it to Dier to be brave enough to attempt to play it with his left.
The just passed it sideway to him to release it.

 

[awesome dawson]

Which was a small subset of his overall passing.

The extension of what you're saying is that his passes were accurate when people made themselves available to receive them

So you're happy having a player in our starting eleven who is only able to pass it sideways?

It is no extension of what I'm saying (why do you speak like someone from Downton Abbey?). Players were often in perfectly good positions, Dier just passed it to the Sheff Utd players.

 

[scaramanga]

So you're happy having a player in our starting eleven who is only able to pass it sideways?

It is no extension of what I'm saying (why do you speak like someone from Downton Abbey?). Players were often in perfectly good positions, Dier just passed it to the Sheff Utd players.

No, but I am happy having a player who can make the passes made available by others around him.

When all our players hide and the only options are long, I expect completion rates to drop.

In answer to your other question, I speak like someone with a middling command of the English language - no more, no less.

 

[thfcsteff]

So you're happy having a player in our starting eleven who is only able to pass it sideways?

It is no extension of what I'm saying (why do you speak like someone from Downton Abbey?). Players were often in perfectly good positions, Dier just passed it to the Sheff Utd players.

Mate...Dier was playing on the left of the pairing. He is not left-footed. He was essentially playing out of position twice removed. He never once shirked responsibility and received more square balls from teammates than any other defensive player.

 

[awesome dawson]

Mate...Dier was playing on the left of the pairing. He is not left-footed. He was essentially playing out of position twice removed. He never once shirked responsibility and received more square balls from teammates than any other defensive player.

I'm not saying Poch is blameless in this situation. Toby was the bench, we were under constant pressure from Sheff Utd from the first minute - at home. Dier is not a one footed player and I realise he's not a CB but these passes are hardly Pirlo level, they're 20/30 yards along the ground to our midfielders. If that's too hard for these guys then we can expect a relegation battle this season. I really don't get this unbridled loyalty to mediocre players.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Dier gave the ball away 8 times in our own half.... That seems a very high number to me. Did any other player get close that?

Not sure
But I do believe looking at the stats again he made more passes than anyone else, and looking at our midfielders he played almost double they did. Maybe if they passed more we would have held the ball in better places

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I'm not saying Poch is blameless in this situation. Toby was the bench, we were under constant pressure from Sheff Utd from the first minute - at home. Dier is not a one footed player and I realise he's not a CB but these passes are hardly Pirlo level, they're 20/30 yards along the ground to our midfielders. If that's too hard for these guys then we can expect a relegation battle this season. I really don't get this unbridled loyalty to mediocre players.

but is it the passers fault or the receivers fault
Every pass would need to analysed
Some were sloppy and never making the man
Some were to the man who stayed still as got caught

 

[DeanoAustin]

No, but I am happy having a player who can make the passes made available by others around him.

When all our players hide and the only options are long, I expect completion rates to drop.

In answer to your other question, I speak like someone with a middling command of the English language - no more, no less.

Is that the smell of humility?

I think someone has hacked Scara's account. Im just waiting for a post praising Sissoko...

 

[benp]

Is that the smell of humility?

I think someone has hacked Scara's account. Im just waiting for a post praising Sissoko...

have you never heard of the humblebrag?

 

[scaramanga]

Is that the smell of humility?

I think someone has hacked Scara's account. Im just waiting for a post praising Sissoko...

I said I speak like someone with a middling grasp of the language, not that I am one.

 

[braineclipse]

I'm not saying Poch is blameless in this situation. Toby was the bench, we were under constant pressure from Sheff Utd from the first minute - at home. Dier is not a one footed player and I realise he's not a CB but these passes are hardly Pirlo level, they're 20/30 yards along the ground to our midfielders. If that's too hard for these guys then we can expect a relegation battle this season. I really don't get this unbridled loyalty to mediocre players.

At least Dier was trying. Despite often being on his weaker foot and lacking match fitness.

What's the excuse for Sanchez?

 

[Finney Is Back]

Not sure
But I do believe looking at the stats again he made more passes than anyone else, and looking at our midfielders he played almost double they did. Maybe if they passed more we would have held the ball in better places

I could be wrong but I would imagine it is pretty standard for the players who make the most passes in our team to be our centre halves? I would've thought that was standard for any team that tries to play it out from the back?