Doesn't the fact that we tend to compact teams into their own half contribute to that?
I don't watch brick teams any more unless we're playing them, but I'd assume all their passers are deep in midfield because they're sitting deep.
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Eric Dier
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I don't watch brick teams any more unless we're playing them, but I'd assume all their passers are deep in midfield because they're sitting deep.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
A central 3 is awful and takes away a big chunk of our game.. 4-2-3-1 is the way we work best
milo
Jack L. Jones
I don't understand calls for rigidity of formation. We have frequently had a player drop back to make a three. As long as players get forward to support the attack, it shouldn't matter and what @braineclipse is calling for here is a ball player to speed up transitions.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I don't think so, although that's obviously a factor sometimes. Seri at Fulham, Mourinho and Neves at Wolves, Shelvey at Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Høybjerg at Southampton. Just to mention a few.
Now some might disagree on some of those. And to be clear I'm not saying that they're better players than Dembele, Dier or Wanyama. Just that there are quite a few teams much lower down the table with midfielders that are better than the one's regularly starting for us in this particular aspect of the game.
Might very well be that I value that particular aspect higher than I should. But for me it's the most obvious weakness/imbalance in our wonderful squad.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
We get fluidity playing 4-2-3-1 and flexibility too
Playing 4-3-3 or whatever we were starting vs pool doesn’t work with the players we played
Winks and Dier looked horrible and lost.... it may have worked with sissoko playing right but then we lose something else maybe
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Neves is a player I would love I have to say
Seri form what I’ve seen looks ok but no more and lost a lot of passes yesterday
Holbergbhas never looked great any game I’ve seen but that’s been a handful at best
Shelvey is a player who plays those lovely long passes people love but doesn’t the other side well at all... he had more yellow than assists last year
It comes down to balance and we look much more balanced playing like we did yesterday
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Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
i will add that there are 2 players I’ve seen this season who I think would be perfect additiona for us in CM
neves and Ndombele
Both would be £50m players but that’s the equivalent of the £15 m we paid for dembele in modern money
Both are young and would arguably have their better years here too
But I could see Neves playing for Madrid or Barca and I think someone like United, City or PSG would be all over Ndombele especially after his game vs City midweek
neves and Ndombele
Both would be £50m players but that’s the equivalent of the £15 m we paid for dembele in modern money
Both are young and would arguably have their better years here too
But I could see Neves playing for Madrid or Barca and I think someone like United, City or PSG would be all over Ndombele especially after his game vs City midweek
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Already is
I have a mate who can stand him
But then doesn’t notice half the things in the game
When I told him he made two great passes for the second goal he was adamant it was Toby
parklane1
Tony Galvin
It does seem that way, i understand fans getting frustrated about results at times but the way they have to find a spacegoat ( and it seems Dier is that player at the moment) is way over the top. He is still 24 and played non stop football for a couple of years in several positions with hardly any rest.
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Yes. He also made two superb long range passes out to the right touchline first half, both inch perfect, one to Moura one to Son (I think it was). But of course they were made by Dier not De Bruyne so they couldn't really have been all that good, could they!!
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
Not sure the term “whipping boy” is fair when expressing an opinion on a player. When it becomes nasty and offensive like in the Sissoko thread then you may have a point. I don’t rate Dier as much as others on here and when all our defensive midfielders are fit, he is usually the one to give way.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Sissoko could score 20 goals and still be hated but Dier really does contrast opinions
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Yes. He also made two superb long range passes out to the right touchline first half, both inch perfect, one to Moura one to Son (I think it was). But of course they were made by Dier not De Bruyne so they couldn't really have been all that good, could they!!
Did a few too Trippier too
But i will agree with the comments that when not under pressure he can do that
I don’t see many who can though
Aren't those players in the equivalent of the Winks/Dembele role though? If Dier were playing alongside Wanyama then I could understand that comparison but in our formation he has to be a passer, but can be alongside a better one.
milo
Jack L. Jones
I think that is a distinction that Poch wouldn't see. 4-2-3-1 with one of the three dropping back is not really different from 4-3-3. I think that he is more concerned with players positions during passages of play.
Kandi1977
Garth Crooks
No risk in any of those passes, except the nutmeg from Trippier, but if that hadn't come off, we would probably have got a throw in. None of the other passes were risky, as we had plenty of cover had they been intercepted. That's not the sort of risk we're talking about.
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
They are good passes in that they are quick with few touches. But they are standard for decent professional footballers to make. None as good as Dier’s pass to trippier in the first few minutes of yesterday’s game or as good as James Maddison to set up iheanacho to score Leicester’s first goal yesterday.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
But the formation vs pool was a 4-3-3 but the midfield looked lost
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
His second pass of if off could have been intercepted by one of 3 players and they would have had an attack through the middle of the pitch and starting it in our half.. that’s high risk football
Are you talking about a pass back or something?