I've said repeatedly that i'd like new owners. So don't try that.
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I've said repeatedly that i'd like new owners. So don't try that.
Baleforce
Vinnie Samways
No it doesn’t, that’s not how it’s supposed to work.
Yiddo
Tom Huddlestone
It’s also pathetic how the Levy out phalanx have a short memory and forget the state of the club before they took over. Its also pathetic how they seem to give no credit for everything Levy / Enic have done for this club over the years turning us into Champions League regulars, bringing us a state of the art training ground and stadium. We could have quite easily got another owner in and done a Leeds or Portsmouth.
The only argument the Levy out phalanx have got is lack of big wages being paid and ticket prices other than that you have nothing else as we are one of the best run clubs in world football and we spend hundreds of millions every summer.
I’ve never seen a fan base feel so entitled without winning fudge all, we have no right to expect to win anything. We have had countless cup finals / semi finals over the years and we have been in title races, how is it the owners fault our players don’t turn up in these big games? Whats our record of goals scored in finals? Its shocking isn’t it? We had the most balanced and arguably the best team in the league under Poch and still won fudge all but i suppose thats on Levy aswell? Managers have got it easy now, they come to us, under achieve, get sacked but know it will be the chairman who gets the blame. Conte is a prime example, proper brick football, not playing to his players strengths and then comes out and complains about the running of the club because thats the narrative. No one talks about how brick Conte was here because of the outburst.
Muttley
Jose Dominguez
I mostly agree, and still back ENIC.
I think one thing you're forgetting though is the market conditions. Football has been a complete money train in this millenium, It's not been anywhere as difficult as what a guy like Sugar had. In fact, I bet Sugar is still kicking himself about letting the club go and not cleaning up.
RigorMortis
Adel Taarabt
we aren’t really champions league regulars are we. Apart from the Poch years, we have had two seasons in the champions league under ENIC, so was that period when we were CL regulars down to the owners or the manager.
Also worth pointing out that apart from Sugar, none of our other owners have ever had the champions league format in their tenure. ENIC are better owners than Sugar but if that’s the best we can state, it’s not really that much
Stockholm Syndrome again.
We were dominant in the 80s won in Europe. Nearly won the league was in 3 FA Cup finals and in a League cup final. All in just 10 years. Every season we had something on the line.
Levy has had nearly 25 years. 2 league cup finals and one extremely flukey ( but amazing ) European cup run to a final.
But but it's better than when Sugar was in charge. Is it? Is it really? I was a season ticket holder then. It seems pretty much the same even down to the failed managers. We had serious star players too. Genuine world class signings.
But yeah. We could have done a Leeds or Portsmouth...as if. It was more likely we could have done an Arsenal with someone in charge that knew what they were doing. Or a Chelsea if they cared about the football side of Tottenham.
Enic and Tavistock invested 20 odd million to buy spurs and it will return them 200 times that. Why can't they just fudge off now with the money they have rinsed of us and stop tormenting us.
I'm not sure you can differentiate, as some are, between what is the responsibility of the owners, or the manager. The owners hire the manager, so by extension its the owners who are responsible for the success or failure of that manager.
If you look at the appointments under Enic, one of the biggest issues is the polar opposites they have signed at points - this takes 2-3 seasons to change from one approach to the other (watch Utd now under Amorim - they have to do a full about turn and its not easy).
I'm broadly pleased with the standing and status that Enic have afforded the club, but I do wonder about the overall footballing strategy before this last 2 years. That being said I really don't see the point in yet another reset unless we literally are sucked into a 10 games to go relegation battle. There's plenty of examples of managers taking time to build their dynasty and even great like Fergie came really close to failing just before they lit the touch paper and won everything on the table. I'm not sure that Ange can do that, and I'm not drawing comparisons with SAF, but if you consider that Poch at Cheatski took all season to get that team working, Arteta was on the chopping board for 2 years before Arsenal got back to what they wanted level wise. His winning a cup in 2020 is what kept him in the job when it went wrong - and it went wrong a lot. They finished 8th in both his first two seasons and he lost more or less 40% of their games.
This would be for me why we need to let this season play out, reconvene and then go again for 2025/26. If 10 games into season 3 we are still up the creek performance and consistency wise, then the end comes.
Well yes, clearly so.
RigorMortis
Adel Taarabt
Agreed with much of that but in the context of ENIC’s tenure at Spurs, the champions league consistency is very much an outlier if you exclude Poch, so in my opinion that ability to compete at the highest level was very much down to his coaching ability and ability to mould a young impressionable squad.
With Ange, unfortunately for me even if you compare him to an Arteta for example it just doesn’t wash.
A vast majority of the performances under Ange verge on incompetence. For me he’s a manager out of his depth, the alarm bells for me actually began after that Chelsea game back in 2023 where his approach to me was suicidal even though he was lauded.
I just don’t think he’s good enough
Mikey10
Johnny Morrison
It’s at the stage at which anyone who still thinks they do a good job on the football side is wilfully ignoring huge amounts of evidence to the contrary.
Great business, though. They’ll make billions when they do eventually sell.
braineclipse
Terry Dyson
At least be in line with those clubs could be an argument.
For the sake of simple maths, let's say we spent an additional 10% of our revenue on wages bringing us up to somewhere between Arsenal and City at 56%. 10% of 550m is 55m.
So that's one Solanke type signing a season we had to do without. A bit more than one Romero or VdV a season. Or Archie Gray, Bergvall and a bit. Per season.
How much would people want to see us decrease our net spend exactly?
The wage to turnover percentage is quite volatile i would suspect - if your turnover jumps up for whatever reason over a short period then your % will drop in line with that and same vice versa, since the new stadium has been built our turnover has been rising and we've been in & out of europe, all will have an impact on the percentage year to year. However it's little more than the latest stick to beat the club with now that the transfer spend line of attack has since been rendered impotent. I do wish people would apply a bit of critical thinking though.
ricky2tricky4city
Dimitar Berbatov
The obvious thing to point out is it's a percentage of turnover.
Look at most teams turnover and you'll realise why their percentage is so high.
Hence Arsenal United and City are down there with us
We can increase it but that's likely to happen as the cycle we are in matures.
The irony being that our percentage could go up (everyone happy) because of less turnover...but our actual real wage spend could go down.
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The season pictured we were in cl. Obviously we can't guarantee that each season.
Interestingly our total wage bill is below Villa's and only £5m above Saudi Sportswashing Machine. Lot of stuff out today from Deloitte, we're 9th in total revenue and I think 7th is probably the highest we could really get too in the next few years.
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Interestingly our total wage bill is below Villa's and only £5m above Saudi Sportswashing Machine. Lot of stuff out today from Deloitte, we're 9th in total revenue and I think 7th is probably the highest we could really get too in the next few years.
Deloitte Football Money League 2025
The Deloitte Football Money League profiles the highest revenue generating football clubs in world football. The 2023/24 season unlocked a new frontier, as Real Madrid became the first football club to record €1 billion in revenue.
Both of whom had to sell players to avoid psr breaches.