I've said repeatedly that i'd like new owners. So don't try that.
-
Dear Guest, Please note that adult content is not permitted on this forum. We have had our Google ads disabled at times due to some posts that were found from some time ago. Please do not post adult content and if you see any already on the forum, please report the post so that we can deal with it. Adult content is allowed in the glory hole - you will have to request permission to access it. Thanks, scara
ENIC
- Thread starter mattls
- Start date
I've said repeatedly that i'd like new owners. So don't try that.
Baleforce
Les Bennett
No it doesn’t, that’s not how it’s supposed to work.
Yiddo
Jack Jull
It’s also pathetic how the Levy out phalanx have a short memory and forget the state of the club before they took over. Its also pathetic how they seem to give no credit for everything Levy / Enic have done for this club over the years turning us into Champions League regulars, bringing us a state of the art training ground and stadium. We could have quite easily got another owner in and done a Leeds or Portsmouth.
The only argument the Levy out phalanx have got is lack of big wages being paid and ticket prices other than that you have nothing else as we are one of the best run clubs in world football and we spend hundreds of millions every summer.
I’ve never seen a fan base feel so entitled without winning fudge all, we have no right to expect to win anything. We have had countless cup finals / semi finals over the years and we have been in title races, how is it the owners fault our players don’t turn up in these big games? Whats our record of goals scored in finals? Its shocking isn’t it? We had the most balanced and arguably the best team in the league under Poch and still won fudge all but i suppose thats on Levy aswell? Managers have got it easy now, they come to us, under achieve, get sacked but know it will be the chairman who gets the blame. Conte is a prime example, proper brick football, not playing to his players strengths and then comes out and complains about the running of the club because thats the narrative. No one talks about how brick Conte was here because of the outburst.
Muttley
Sebastien Bassong
I mostly agree, and still back ENIC.
I think one thing you're forgetting though is the market conditions. Football has been a complete money train in this millenium, It's not been anywhere as difficult as what a guy like Sugar had. In fact, I bet Sugar is still kicking himself about letting the club go and not cleaning up.
RigorMortis
Moussa Saib
we aren’t really champions league regulars are we. Apart from the Poch years, we have had two seasons in the champions league under ENIC, so was that period when we were CL regulars down to the owners or the manager.
Also worth pointing out that apart from Sugar, none of our other owners have ever had the champions league format in their tenure. ENIC are better owners than Sugar but if that’s the best we can state, it’s not really that much
Stockholm Syndrome again.
We were dominant in the 80s won in Europe. Nearly won the league was in 3 FA Cup finals and in a League cup final. All in just 10 years. Every season we had something on the line.
Levy has had nearly 25 years. 2 league cup finals and one extremely flukey ( but amazing ) European cup run to a final.
But but it's better than when Sugar was in charge. Is it? Is it really? I was a season ticket holder then. It seems pretty much the same even down to the failed managers. We had serious star players too. Genuine world class signings.
But yeah. We could have done a Leeds or Portsmouth...as if. It was more likely we could have done an Arsenal with someone in charge that knew what they were doing. Or a Chelsea if they cared about the football side of Tottenham.
Enic and Tavistock invested 20 odd million to buy spurs and it will return them 200 times that. Why can't they just fudge off now with the money they have rinsed of us and stop tormenting us.
I'm not sure you can differentiate, as some are, between what is the responsibility of the owners, or the manager. The owners hire the manager, so by extension its the owners who are responsible for the success or failure of that manager.
If you look at the appointments under Enic, one of the biggest issues is the polar opposites they have signed at points - this takes 2-3 seasons to change from one approach to the other (watch Utd now under Amorim - they have to do a full about turn and its not easy).
I'm broadly pleased with the standing and status that Enic have afforded the club, but I do wonder about the overall footballing strategy before this last 2 years. That being said I really don't see the point in yet another reset unless we literally are sucked into a 10 games to go relegation battle. There's plenty of examples of managers taking time to build their dynasty and even great like Fergie came really close to failing just before they lit the touch paper and won everything on the table. I'm not sure that Ange can do that, and I'm not drawing comparisons with SAF, but if you consider that Poch at Cheatski took all season to get that team working, Arteta was on the chopping board for 2 years before Arsenal got back to what they wanted level wise. His winning a cup in 2020 is what kept him in the job when it went wrong - and it went wrong a lot. They finished 8th in both his first two seasons and he lost more or less 40% of their games.
This would be for me why we need to let this season play out, reconvene and then go again for 2025/26. If 10 games into season 3 we are still up the creek performance and consistency wise, then the end comes.
Well yes, clearly so.