ENIC

[RigorMortis]

It is press speculation but as I say....even without that....

There is just speculation

the only point we could agree on is that once he had a choice between ourselves and pool he would choose Pool.

no one knows at what point he had that choice and if we had a realistic chance before that.
From what I read it sounds like we had and didn’t take it( which to me seems a common theme in ENIC’s reign), you don’t I assume and think it would have been Liverpool regardless

 

[Bedfordspurs]

But that’s what I have already stated each time
So again not quite sure of the point of pointing out what I have already pointed out

You responded to a post that I responded too, which was someone else’s post.

 

[Bishop]

What is the cultish thing I am going?

I simply know what it is like running multi-million-pound turnover businesses, all be it smaller ones. And those who just come along after the events and are negative, don't add anything. There is nothing constructive. And often they don't understand the more complex detail. Just give me trophies now.

You see it [emoji1787][emoji1787]

"Just give me trophies now" when and where did I say anything along those lines?[emoji1787][emoji1787]

Debate what I've actually said please. That's the cultish part, an inability to rationally debate the subject without resorting to an overly emotional response.



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[ricky2tricky4city]

My view is that ENIC think that changing manager is a cheaper alternative than trying to change the transfer policy and Conte’s comments back that up

Conte from day one has said it is a long process and what we need is time. (I assume he means to Poch challenging levels) . Regarding transfers, He says he knows this is the way of the club. To buy younger players and develop them. He accepts that, not as a surprise but something that would have been discussed when he signed. Besides the players we sign are hardly kids, yes we buy Sarr, Gil etc (absolutely zero wrong with that), but eg Romero Bentancur PEH Lo Celso are hardly inexperienced players. He has ability as a coach, and his methods you'd think would fit better with younger players.

If the point of difference is we want some 29/30 year olds, I wouldn't say that should be a barrier to success. Besides Dier Kane Lloris Son Moura Davies can provide that.

He's clearly saying we can't afford to sign duds. We all think that needs to change.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

You think it doesn't stack up because you believe in them. Don't you see you're doing the cultish thing right now. You don't agree so therefore I must be wrong and my arguments doesn't stack up. Yet I don't agree that they are good for us as you think they are yet I'm not telling you that you are wrong and that your arguments don't stack up. I just accept we don't see things the same way and participate in the debate.

One of us is open-minded here...

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...and one of us is a cult

 

[Bishop]

Again enic don't have the money for a risky financial outlay. They had to sell everything they had to buy us.

Lewis might but after losing over a billion on bear sterns i think he probably wants to play it safe.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-lewis-lost-1-2bn-on-bear-stearns-798488.html

I don't think enic are moral at all. I do think however the speculative risky spending is helping to destroy the game and needs to be curtailed.

I don't disagree with any of that. Just pointing out why the morality issue was being brought up because for many years it's been a stock response for a lot of ENIC supporters.

I personally have no issue with the cautious financial approach. I just don't rate the decisions ENIC have made more so than being cautious they have just made many poor decisions.

In an ideal world id want some sort of sporting club model as is in place for some clubs in Spain and Germany. Sport shouldn't be determined by who has the most money. Sadly it is and we have to work within that system and until it changes it's a losing battle.

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[Bedfordspurs]

I don't disagree with any of that. Just pointing out why the morality issue was being brought up because for many years it's been a stock response for a lot of ENIC supporters.

I personally have no issue with the cautious financial approach. I just don't rate the decisions ENIC have made more so than being cautious they have just made many poor decisions.

In an ideal world id want some sort of sporting club model as is in place for some clubs in Spain and Germany. Sport shouldn't be determined by who has the most money. Sadly it is and we have to work within that system and until it changes it's a losing battle.

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It will never change
They brought in weak measure like FFP and then clubs be sponsored by their owners
Football will now always be about money
It’s the be all and end all

 

[Lilbaz]

I don't disagree with any of that. Just pointing out why the morality issue was being brought up because for many years it's been a stock response for a lot of ENIC supporters.

I personally have no issue with the cautious financial approach. I just don't rate the decisions ENIC have made more so than being cautious they have just made many poor decisions.

In an ideal world id want some sort of sporting club model as is in place for some clubs in Spain and Germany. Sport shouldn't be determined by who has the most money. Sadly it is and we have to work within that system and until it changes it's a losing battle.

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Agree. Hopefull the independent regulator gets voted in, in may. Then they bring in a spending cap similar to la ligas. Uefa are also wanting to bring one in but i have little hope it will work.

Have no idea why france haven't done it to keep in check psg.

 

[Hashegotthesackyet?]

If it was a coin flip for them to F off and take the risk of inheriting the next Ridsdale, Dildo brothers or some rich tycoon, I’d take the gamble.
The slow bleed is just painful. This is just my gut feel without looking at balance sheets etc. Pure emotion.

 

[Lilbaz]

It will never change
They brought in weak measure like FFP and then clubs be sponsored by their owners
Football will now always be about money
It’s the be all and end all

We'll see if the independent regulator can change things. Clubs making losses all the time and going into administration must tinkle off hmrc.

 

[Bishop]

...and one of us is a cult

I have no problem with the debate, I enjoy it in fact. That's why I'm here but some people don't seem to like it. They just want an echo chamber. Sorry I'm not here for that. [emoji2369][emoji6]

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[Bedfordspurs]

We'll see if the independent regulator can change things. Clubs making losses all the time and going into administration must tinkle off hmrc.

That won’t happen either IMO
It will not have any power or want to dig deep enough

 

[Lilbaz]

If it was a coin flip for them to F off and take the risk of inheriting the next Ridsdale, Dildo brothers or some rich tycoon, I’d take the gamble.
The slow bleed is just painful. This is just my gut feel without looking at balance sheets etc. Pure emotion.

It's not a coin flip though. Someone has to actually come in with a bid.

 

[billyiddo]

I have not asked for new owners, I’m stating I would like ENIC to do better.
I’d much rather they succeed than we sell and go into an unknown.

In answer to do I think it’s unacceptable, yes I do given that the stadium was marketed as a game changer to take us to the next level and not lumber around where we already are.

I'm not sure what to make of this - find me a poster who doesn't want ENIC to do better than they have been? If you are also saying that you don't want new owners then i hate to break it to you but you seem to be on the same page as the people you keep disagreeing with.

 

[Lilbaz]

That won’t happen either IMO
It will not have any power or want to dig deep enough

Why not? Ofcom, ofgem etc... have power. It's looks good to voters as many fans want one and would cost the government relatively little if anything. Has cross party support.

 

[Hashegotthesackyet?]

It's not a coin flip though. Someone has to actually come in with a bid.

i realise that, I’m just stating my wish.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

It's not a coin flip though. Someone has to actually come in with a bid.

That the crux of the matter
It’s why I’m very much of the view we can’t change the owners so I accept them
No one is buying the club anytime soon

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Why not? Ofcom, ofgem etc... have power. It's looks good to voters as many fans want one and would cost the government relatively little if anything. Has cross party support.

They were set up manage ex gov resources and still let the companies get away with things

 

[RigorMortis]

Conte from day one has said it is a long process and what we need is time. (I assume he means to Poch challenging levels) . Regarding transfers, He says he knows this is the way of the club. To buy younger players and develop them. He accepts that, not as a surprise but something that would have been discussed when he signed. Besides the players we sign are hardly kids, yes we buy Sarr, Gil etc (absolutely zero wrong with that), but eg Romero Bentancur PEH Lo Celso are hardly inexperienced players. He has ability as a coach, and his methods you'd think would fit better with younger players.

If the point of difference is we want some 29/30 year olds, I wouldn't say that should be a barrier to success. Besides Dier Kane Lloris Son Moura Davies can provide that.

He's clearly saying we can't afford to sign duds. We all think that needs to change.

I guess I interpret that as we won’t buy difference makers

 

[RigorMortis]

I'm not sure what to make of this - find me a poster who doesn't want ENIC to do better than they have been? If you are also saying that you don't want new owners then i hate to break it to you but you seem to be on the same page as the people you keep disagreeing with.

No because others either believe they are doing well or believe their strategy will bear fruit. I don’t

I also don’t think I’m alone in wanting what exists to succeed rather than want change unless truly required( I also think it’s unlikely to happen given the valuation wanted and tend to think perhaps external investment is a mutual comporomise)
But again I find it odd that you think this is unusual.
Shouldn’t the overriding factor be that whoever is at the helm of the club wether that be players, managers or owners you would rather they succeed because if they fail inevitably that means the club is failing?

stange that you actually think this is out of the ordinary