Emmanuel Adebayor - Officially gone \o/

[Finney Is Back]

Because Soldado has behaved like a normal human being and put the required effort in. He never missed flights, brought Ju-Ju to the table or appeared on facebook every three minutes expunging issues that should be private and have no place in the public sphere.

That he hasn't delivered is a sporting issue and one that I'm as sure he is upset about as we are disappointed. He is a man, not a machine, and suffered a drastic decline in his work output and his career is on the slide. Its something very different.

So you're saying that you are fine if we have player who is genuinely rubbish, just as long as that player runs around a bit and puts some effort in?

And you're far less happy with any players we have that have a decent output, but who you perceive could try harder?

I take it that Chadli is a player you also really don't like?

 

[Roy1983]

Adebayor doesn't have a decent output anymore.

 

[Finney Is Back]

maybe its because we know we can get soldado back for something at least pretty significant, but our last bid for ade means paying some more just to get rid of him.

I very much doubt that we could find a club anywhere who would pay an amount for Soldado that would result in us getting anywhere near to parity in terms of the average yearly cost of having him compared to Adebayor (for this we'd need to find a club mad enough to buy Soldado off of us for around £20 million).

And it gets even worse if we were trying to get close to parity in terms of £s per goal, as to do this we'd need to find a club mad enough to pay us £27 million for Soldado.

Adebayor doesn't have a decent output anymore.

True.... this season Adebayor has only scored only 2 league goals in 8 games (a ratio or 1 in 4).... Soldado's return of 1 league goal in 19 games is of course so much better.

I don't like Adebayor and would like him out of the club this summer.... It's just that I like Soldado even less and want him out of the club even more.

 

[Armchair Expert]

So you're saying that you are fine if we have player who is genuinely rubbish, just as long as that player runs around a bit and puts some effort in?

And you're far less happy with any players we have that have a decent output, but who you perceive could try harder?

I take it that Chadli is a player you also really don't like?

I would never chastise someone for not being good enough. I wasn't someone who took the tinkle out of kids who came last in races at school; or the 40 year old employees who have consistently been passed over for promotions due to a lack of intellect and are now subordinate to people half their age. I have no problem with people who try but aren't good enough.

I don't want genuinely rubbish players on our books. But if they give it their all and aren't good enough who is to blame? Its certainly not the player.
On the other hand I do have problems with people who have all the tools and fail through a lack of application - but still take the money. If these people waste their talent and can't be bothered thats fine - what is not fine is accepting payments and not putting in the required effort. I would definitely sack a high paid maverick sales person who constantly misses conventions and makes excuses, can't be bothered to close leads and only performs in one quarter a year.

I'm not fine with having rubbish players who only run around; I'm just saying its not their fault they are not good enough and they deserve not to be abused as long as they do everything within their powers to attempt to positively contribute to the club.

 

[Finney Is Back]

I would never chastise someone for not being good enough. I wasn't someone who took the tinkle out of kids who came last in races at school; or the 40 year old employees who have consistently been passed over for promotions due to a lack of intellect and are now subordinate to people half their age. I have no problem with people who try but aren't good enough.

I don't want genuinely rubbish players on our books. But if they give it their all and aren't good enough who is to blame? Its certainly not the player.
On the other hand I do have problems with people who have all the tools and fail through a lack of application - but still take the money. If these people waste their talent and can't be bothered thats fine - what is not fine is accepting payments and not putting in the required effort. I would definitely sack a high paid maverick sales person who constantly misses conventions and makes excuses, can't be bothered to close leads and only performs in one quarter a year.

So like I say - I take it Chadli is a player that you also really don't like? After all he clearly has lots of talent and ability, but he could clearly work a lot harder.

 

[Armchair Expert]

So like I say - I take it Chadli is a player that you also really don't like? After all he clearly has lots of talent and ability, but he could clearly work a lot harder.

Erm
I would prefer it if Chadli worked harder, wouldn't you?
Although I'm not sure Chadli is an example analogous of Adebayor.

EDIT: and I think you can address my points without needing to introduce Chadli into the argument. Actually I don't at all understand what Chadli has to do with Adebayor?

EDIT (again): and actually you haven't responded to anything I said. I've clearly illuminated my feelings reference your initial Soldado/Adebayor comparison. If you're not willing to even acknowledge or address valid responses to your own questions, then I don't see the point in engaging in a conversation.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Erm
I would prefer it if Chadli worked harder, wouldn't you?
Although I'm not sure Chadli is an example analogous of Adebayor.
EDIT: and I think you can address my points without needing to introduce Chadli into the argument. Actually I don't at all understand what Chadli has to do with Adebayor?
EDIT (again): and actually you haven't responded to anything I said. I've clearly illuminated my feelings reference your initial Soldado/Adebayor comparison. If you're not willing to even acknowledge or address valid responses to your own questions, then I don't see the point in engaging in a conversation.

I would've thought the comparison with Chadli is reasonably obvious - in that (like Adebayor) he is a player with a lot of talent who is perceived as not necessarily working hard enough to ensure he applies that talent. And yes I would absolutely love it if Chadli worked harder, I think we'd then have a brilliant player on our hands, who could be compared favourably to almost any other player in the league. However, despite the fact that I would love Chadli to work harder, I still much prefer him as a player to Lamela, who I think works very hard but seriously lacks quality compared to Chadli.

I guess it just depends on what type of person you are. I absolutely love players who combine skill and talent with hard work, but if given a choice between a player with talent who perhaps could work harder and a player without much talent, then I tend to prefer the former.

I also feel that the difference in Soldado and Adebayor's work rate tends to be overstated. My feelings on the matter having watched pretty much every single minute that both players have played at WHL are that Soldado doesn't work any harder for the team than Adebayor does. Remember that two of our last four managers have managed to get a good output out of Adebayor, whereas three in a row have failed to do so with Soldado.

 

[imcallingbullsh*t]

Bentley just fudgeed off quietly. There's always another Ade news story coming from him the day after he comes on for a few minutes. People are sick of it and him.

Strange Logic, so you can take the tinkle so long as your quiet about it?

 

[Armchair Expert]

I would've thought the comparison with Chadli is reasonably obvious - in that (like Adebayor) he is a player with a lot of talent who is perceived as not necessarily working hard enough to ensure he applies that talent. And yes I would absolutely love it if Chadli worked harder, I think we'd then have a brilliant player on our hands, who could be compared favourably to almost any other player in the league. However, despite the fact that I would love Chadli to work harder, I still much prefer him as a player to Lamela, who I think works very hard but seriously lacks quality compared to Chadli.

I guess it just depends on what type of person you are. I absolutely love players who combine skill and talent with hard work, but if given a choice between a player with talent who perhaps could work harder and a player without much talent, then I tend to prefer the former.

I also feel that the difference in Soldado and Adebayor's work rate tends to be overstated. My feelings on the matter having watched pretty much every single minute that both players have played at WHL are that Soldado doesn't work any harder for the team than Adebayor does. Remember that two of our last four managers have managed to get a good output out of Adebayor, whereas three in a row have failed to do so with Soldado.

All fair points.
But by introducing another player into the argument you de-contextualised my post. The comparison was Adebayor/Soldado and I answered in that context. As such I don't feel that my answer in this instance is suitable for extrapolation: it was a specific response to a specific question.

With reference to your final paragraph, all I can say is fair enough. We have different views on the relative merits of each player and the decorum with which they have plied their trades.

 

[Superhudd]

And it seems as though Adebayor didn't moan about those 'trivial things' at the time that he funded them.... Looks like the moaning has come later when that same family who have happily taken from him then disrespect him.

It's very easy to say that those sorts of things are the least one can do when coming from a 'normal', caring, honest, supportive family. I don't think you'd think the same way if you had a family who were the very opposite of those things. I have a few friends who have become successful against the odds despite coming from extremely dysfunctional families, their family relationships have then become even more strained (generally to the point of becoming completely broken) as a result of the money and feelings of entitlement to that money that some of the family members have.

Ask yourself why they have treated Adebayor in this way. I'd suggest there is more to it than what he is saying. For example the 10 bedroom house. What use is it if you are struggling to put food on the table, I totally get why they rented it out if they needed the money more. The laughable thing is that not once does he talk about the things in life you need to survive, just the material things like plane tickets, houses etc. If I was to have that rant would it not be better to start with the money or allowance he sends them monthly.. or I would hope he does. Maybe he doesn't and that is where the real story is, and where the animosity towards him comes. What we know is that rant seriously was not worked through before releasing it and doesn't paint him in a good light.

If your dysfunctional to start with then that is different, I don't believe that is true in Adebayor's case.

 

[Superhudd]

Strange Logic, so you can take the tinkle so long as your quiet about it?

In part I understand totally why he fell out of love with the game, which is very well documented by him. I think he didn't get the same crap also is because he was not here, and to be quite honest risked his life to play in Russia where some games were in a war zone. I also feel that Harry didn't exactly help matters either (since the ice bucket), but again at least he tried to go elsewhere when he wasn't wanted. He did and has earned my respect by being open, honest about it since.

 

[Superhudd]

While in the thread, something that has always puzzled me.......

Emanuel Adebayor has been at Spurs for 4 years. Costing us (an estimated) £100,000 a week in wages and a transfer fee of £5 million. That equates to a grand total of £25.8 million over the 4 years, or £6.45 million per year. For that £25.8 million Adebayor has contributed 35 Premier League goals in 87 Premier League games at an average of 1 goal every 2.49 games, or to monetize this - £737,000 for each goal scored.

Roberto Soldado has been at Spurs for 2 years. Costing us (an estimated) £60,000 a week in wages and a transfer fee of £26 million. That equates to a grand total of £32.24 million over the two years or £16.12 million per year. For that £32.24 million Soldado has contributed 7 Premier League goals in 47 Premier League games at an average of 1 goal every 6.71 games, or to monetize this - £4.6 million for each goal scored.

Yet of the two players, it seems Soldado is the one who gets a remarkably easy ride from a majority of Spurs fans. Strange how unconscious biases seem to occur.

I will quote you the piece done on Soladado in the Telegraph I believe just after his wife had a miscarriage and say that in it his transfer was 16m with add ons. I would say that those add ons have never been met.

 

[Superhudd]

even if I was earning millions of pounds every year there are still members of my family I wouldn't give a penny to

I'm not gonna judge him on that

I agree with you on that, but surely its got to be pretty bad to be at that stage. I don't see anything Adebayor has said that would warrant cutting them out.

 

[Millsy_Yiddo]

Ask yourself why they have treated Adebayor in this way. I'd suggest there is more to it than what he is saying. For example the 10 bedroom house. What use is it if you are struggling to put food on the table, I totally get why they rented it out if they needed the money more. The laughable thing is that not once does he talk about the things in life you need to survive, just the material things like plane tickets, houses etc. If I was to have that rant would it not be better to start with the money or allowance he sends them monthly.. or I would hope he does. Maybe he doesn't and that is where the real story is, and where the animosity towards him comes. What we know is that rant seriously was not worked through before releasing it and doesn't paint him in a good light.

If your dysfunctional to start with then that is different, I don't believe that is true in Adebayor's case.

I can't fathom how you honestly believe that Adebayor buying things for people or giving them money and them abusing it is his fault.

 

[Superhudd]

Abusing it depends on what they spend the money on surely. Paying the electric bill, paying for food.. paying rent. Like I said, if the rant was about paying these things and being shafted then I can understand, but its not mentioned at all. He is ranting because he bought a plane ticket which the recipient decided was better spent elsewhere and Adebayor clearly doesn't give two bricks why they did that. Next time Adebayor should buy the plane ticket himself, and email the boarding details, apparently he is bloody good at fixing a flight for the Togo team.

 

[Superhudd]

The crux of all this again comes down to one thing.

Adebayor never thinks he is the problem.. its always someone elses fault.

 

[Baleforce]

I agree with you on that, but surely its got to be pretty bad to be at that stage. I don't see anything Adebayor has said that would warrant cutting them out.

true, but maybe he'd rather not air the nasty stuff

 

[Superhudd]

point taken

 

[parklane1]

Bentley just fudgeed off quietly. There's always another Ade news story coming from him the day after he comes on for a few minutes. People are sick of it and him.

Maybe you should not believe everything you read in the gutter press? and especially on teletext.

 

[Jordinho]