Dele Alli

[Jurgen the German]

Nowhere have i said i do/did not want to win the CL, as good/top players win trophys it gives them the incentive to win bigger/more. Qualifying for the CL is not going to keep players at the same club, you mentioned Sanchez and there have been others who have left the Arse because of the same reasons.


But i guess we are not going to agree over this, one last question how many CL medals have players at Arsenal won, or City. Do you expect us to win the CL in our first few attempts? Winning things for good players becomes a habit and winning the first trophy is generally the hardest. We should not turn our nose up at any trophy like some fans do, thankfully it seems our players are not as selective as some fans seem to be.

No I agree winning things is important and it breeds hunger but we're going to have to become serious title contenders year in year out if we want to keep players like Alli.

For the record, I would take the FA cup over finishing 2nd, as long as we still finish in the top 4.

 

[StephenH]

I this lad 'potentially' the best Spurs and England have seen?

He just gets better and better........how good can he be?
Im loathed the praise any young player as I have terrible track record for jinxing.

 

[StephenH]

No I agree winning things is important and it breeds hunger but we're going to have to become serious title contenders year in year out if we want to keep players like Alli.

For the record, I would take the FA cup over finishing 2nd, as long as we still finish in the top 4.

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[mudshark]

The media hyperbole around him over the last couple of weeks has ramped up noticeably. Designed to create the imperative for a huge summer bid.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I this lad 'potentially' the best Spurs and England have seen?

He just gets better and better........how good can he be?
Im loathed the praise any young player as I have terrible track record for jinxing.

The interesting ting will be how much more development he has

He is showing a maturity already of a far older player and I'm wondering how much better he will get

When you look at other young players who have performed well like Sterling for example he hasn't shown much improvement IMO as he has got older

Where as a player like Kane clearly has got better

 

[Gutter Boy]

I this lad 'potentially' the best Spurs and England have seen?

He just gets better and better........how good can he be?

Im loathed the praise any young player as I have terrible track record for jinxing.

I don't think he quite has Gazza's brilliance (or Hoddle's), but equally he doesn't have that self-destructive element to his personality. But definitely the best English midfield talent since Gazza.

The media hyperbole around him over the last couple of weeks has ramped up noticeably. Designed to create the imperative for a huge summer bid.

I'm not worried, because where realistically would he go? Any other English club would be a sideways move now. Madrid and Barca are who you naturally fear, but I think he's too English a player for a slower subtler league like that. Bayern would be a concern for someone like Lloris or Alder, but I don't think they have the same draw for an English player.

 

[milo]

I'm not worried, because where realistically would he go? Any other English club would be a sideways move now. Madrid and Barca are who you naturally fear, but I think he's too English a player for a slower subtler league like that. Bayern would be a concern for someone like Lloris or Alder, but I don't think they have the same draw for an English player.

If he carries on developing as he is, i am sure that he will end up at one of the European giants. I think that he has the capacity to adapt his game (he seems like a very quick learner) and they will find a way of utilising a player with his goal threat.

I do wonder though, what impact his upbringing and closeness to the manager may have on the timing of this decision. Like all of our best players, i think that there is far less chance of them leaving whilst Poch is at the club.

 

[mudshark]

If he carries on developing as he is, i am sure that he will end up at one of the European giants. I think that he has the capacity to adapt his game (he seems like a very quick learner) and they will find a way of utilising a player with his goal threat.

I do wonder though, what impact his upbringing and closeness to the manager may have on the timing of this decision. Like all of our best players, i think that there is far less chance of them leaving whilst Poch is at the club.

This will be key for the majority of them, I think. I wouldn't be surprised to see an immediate exodus if he were to be poached away.

 

[Gutter Boy]

If he carries on developing as he is, i am sure that he will end up at one of the European giants. I think that he has the capacity to adapt his game (he seems like a very quick learner) and they will find a way of utilising a player with his goal threat.

I do wonder though, what impact his upbringing and closeness to the manager may have on the timing of this decision. Like all of our best players, i think that there is far less chance of them leaving whilst Poch is at the club.

I largely agree. But I just wonder if there will be a lingering buyers' caution, basically because of how crap Gerrard and Lampard (even Scholes) were at international level. High-tempo English players just have such a poor track record of being able to do anything when teams sit off and give them time to play. Their DNA is for competing at 100 mph, not against catenaccio. So like Lloris with his kicking, or King with his knee, there is that chink that might work to our advantage in terms of extending his stay.

 

[Gutter Boy]

This will be key for the majority of them, I think. I wouldn't be surprised to see an immediate exodus if he were to be poached away.

I think it more depends who we replace him with. Clubs like Southampton and Swansea have by-a-large been able to survive losing very influential managers by recruiting replacements of a similar ilk.

Lloris didn't leave in summer 2014 because Poch impressed him straight away - we'd need the next guy to do the same.

 

[NaijaSpurs]

Harry Kane: Catch me if you can

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[mudshark]

I think it more depends who we replace him with. Clubs like Southampton and Swansea have by-a-large been able to survive losing very influential managers by recruiting replacements of a similar ilk.

Lloris didn't leave in summer 2014 because Poch impressed him straight away - we'd need the next guy to do the same.

Fair comment, but that'd be a big ask IMV, especially with our record of hits and misses.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Fair comment, but that'd be a big ask IMV, especially with our record of hits and misses.

Hopefully Levy's sussed now why Poch worked, but Ramos and AVB didn't. That there needs to be a bit of warmth along with being a system manager (necessitated by our sustainable financial model).

Tuchel and Howe would be my first two off the bat, but as this will hopefully be years away, who knows who will be cutting edge then.

 

[NaijaSpurs]

Even if Dele does leave us one day I am 100% sure that it will not be before he has played at least one season in our new stadium. The main reason our stars left us in the past were due to 3 reasons:

1 No Champions League football
2 We could not compete for the title
3 We could not win trophies (apart from the league cup)

Now we are good enough to make Champions League football
Now we are good enough to compete for the title (and I think our full strength starting 11 is currently as good as it gets in this league)
Still working on number 3

 

[Gutter Boy]

Even if Dele does leave us one day I am 100% sure that it will not be before he has played at least one season in our new stadium. The main reason our stars left us in the past were due to 3 reasons:

1 No Champions League football
2 We could not compete for the title
3 We could not win trophies (apart from the league cup)

Now we are good enough to make Champions League football
Now we are good enough to compete for the title (and I think our full strength starting 11 is currently as good as it gets in this league)
Still working on number 3

I think wages also played a part in a good 2/3 of undesired departures over the past 20 years. We seem a bit more competitive on that front now however with our growing revenue and trimmer squad

 

[Hotshot-Tottenham]

If he carries on developing as he is, i am sure that he will end up at one of the European giants. I think that he has the capacity to adapt his game (he seems like a very quick learner) and they will find a way of utilising a player with his goal threat.

I do wonder though, what impact his upbringing and closeness to the manager may have on the timing of this decision. Like all of our best players, i think that there is far less chance of them leaving whilst Poch is at the club.

I guess another part of it is he's only turning 21. He could stay with us another 3 or 4 years and still not be at his peak.

Carrick, Berbatov and Modric - even Bale I guess - were that little bit older at the time, and we - as a club - were nowhere near as strong as we are now.

I know money talks and I know I'm a fan, but wouldn't you want to play at a least a season in the new place??

 

[milo]

I think it more depends who we replace him with. Clubs like Southampton and Swansea have by-a-large been able to survive losing very influential managers by recruiting replacements of a similar ilk.

Lloris didn't leave in summer 2014 because Poch impressed him straight away - we'd need the next guy to do the same.

They haven't been very successful at holding onto players though

 

[milo]

I largely agree. But I just wonder if there will be a lingering buyers' caution, basically because of how crap Gerrard and Lampard (even Scholes) were at international level. High-tempo English players just have such a poor track record of being able to do anything when teams sit off and give them time to play. Their DNA is for competing at 100 mph, not against catenaccio. So like Lloris with his kicking, or King with his knee, there is that chink that might work to our advantage in terms of extending his stay.

I doubt that Lampard and Gerrard's international performances had much bearing on it. They both played well in the Champions League which seems like a better barometer. The fact is that they both bottled moves when the chance arose.

 

[Lemonade Money]

I doubt that Lampard and Gerrard's international performances had much bearing on it. They both played well in the Champions League which seems like a better barometer. The fact is that they both bottled moves when the chance arose.

Gerrard to Chelsea, and Lampard to...?

 

[milo]

Gerrard to Chelsea, and Lampard to...?

If memory serves me correctly, he was perennially linked to Barca and was meant to be learning the language ahead of a move but would then reject advances. I suppose it is just as likely that his agent put the stories out there to squeeze more money out of Chelsea