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Danny Rose

BrainOfLevy said:
As you've admitted, the fact that he has done this in public, to The Sun, three days before the our first match, it is the problem. Nothing that he said is a shock. But he is not doing it because he wants to better Tottenham (as he is hilariously trying to make out) he is doing it to push the buttons of the fan base and divide the club and likely his team mates, so that we have no choice but to give him what he wants. There is absolutely nothing here that he is doing in order to better us.
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This, I agree with. 100%. He's not doing this to better the club, he's doing this to better himself, and he's ultimately let his teammates down, his manager down and his club down with his actions.

As long as you can disassociate the truths in what he said from his motives saying it, there's no issue. But to conflate the two (as is the case when saying that agreeing with his points is tantamount to giving him what he wants) is just dangerous, imo.
 
AdamB said:
From what he said he'd be happy with it as he said about wanting that competition to drive him on. I think they'd all agree with his comments on adding 2-3 players and pretty much the rest of the content. I can't see that his comments will divide the squad based on what was said (rather than how it was /aid)
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I think two or three players leaving and joining each summer is about right. It keeps things fresh and players on their toes.

The Google comment is just pig ignorance and insulting to his team mates. He should remember that no one knew who he was when he joined and that some of our lesser known signings have turned into our best players.
 
Grays_1890 said:
A pro who signed a deal in the exact same circumstances as are on the table today?

Alex Ferguson maybe the greatest manager of all time has publicly praised how we run a club and also how we work with youth as a club, I think he is a good judge.

Only Gary Neville thinks Spurs have done things right? Yeh course, thats trash
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Who said only Gary Neville thinks we've done things right? Not me. He's the only one who thinks we've done *everything* right. Other pundits think we've done some things right, and some things wrong.

But saying *EVERY PUNDIT THINKS WE'VE DONE THINGS RIGHT', as you did, is utter rubbish. Just a fact, mate. Unless 'EVERY PUNDIT' in your view is just GNev and Sir Alex.
 
StephenH said:
To all those who want Levy & Co to spend money over and above the current financial plans they are simply whistling in the wind.
So to those folk, please do us all a favour and go and whistle for a more well heeled football club and do all those who are enjoying the Spurs experience a big big favour!
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There's maybe a £100m to spend on fees and wages given the Walker money and the increase in TV money.

We have a wage structure where our highest paid players Kane and Lloris are on around the same as 100k wages as Troy Deeney at Watford. Across London Benteke is on 120k at Palace. At West Ham they have Javier Hernandez on 140k and Joe Hart on 120k(city paying another 55k).

There's only so many years our players will stay on these wages.

Don't be surprised to see them force they way out the same way Walker did through a row with Poch.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Who said only Gary Neville thinks we've done things right? Not me. He's the only one who thinks we've done *everything* right. Other pundits think we've done some things right, and some things wrong.

But saying *EVERY PUNDIT THINKS WE'VE DONE THINGS RIGHT', as you did, is utter rubbish. Just a fact, mate. Unless 'EVERY PUNDIT' in your view is just GNev and Sir Alex.
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I would rank them above Danny Rose, his Agent and that pug nosed gimp from the Sun
 
From The Guardians "Fiver" - a fairly decent satirical summation:

BABY, I COMPARE YOU TO A DISS FROM A ROSE …
The Fiver loves Spurs. They give hope to habitual losers around the world that, one day, they too might finish second. In our case, they allow us to dream that one day the phrase “Lads, it’s The Fiver” will be met with something other than a weary sigh or the confused question: “Is that thing still going? I thought they put it out of its misery years ago.” In addition to that, Spurs are an antidote to the tedious excess of modern football and modern society. Their low-key, financially responsible excellence makes them the most admirable club in the country. That’s one interpretation, anyway. The other is that SPURS GOTTA BUY SOMEONE QUICKSMART BECAUSE DANNY WANTS A NEW TOY TO PLAY WITH.

Yes, Danny Rose, Spurs’ knacked left-back, has only gone and opened his mouth without checking what was going to fall out. In an interview with the Sun, Rose announced that he wants more money, he wants Spurs to spend more money, he wants Spurs to go back in time and not sell Kyle Walker, and he wants to play up north before he retires. “I am not saying buy 10 players, I’d love to see two or three – and not players you have to Google and say, ‘Who’s that?’ I mean well-known players,” parped the world-renowned left-back.

The whole point of Spurs is that they built a brilliant team by developing relative unknowns like Dele Alli, Eric Dier and, yep, Danny Rose. “Time is running out and I do want to win trophies. One thing is for sure – I know my worth and I will make sure I get what I am worth,” he continued, making possibly the least chilling threat since Ken Barlow offered to sort out Mike Baldwin. “I am not playing as well as I have done not to get paid what I think I am worth. As with everyone else in my team, in my opinion, I am worth more than I am getting.”

Rose is a bloody good left-back. He is not, however, the second coming of Roberto Carlos and there are many who will feel he has just broken the talk:walkometer. Maybe he is feral with the lack of football. But if he pulled this stunt in a 1970s dressing-room, he’d have received a lit fag in the eye faster than he could say “taken out of context”. Mind, The Fiver feels a bit of sympathy for him. We moan when players say nothing and then moan even more when they are honest. A lot of what Rose said was fair enough – about Spurs’ squad depth, for example, and wanting to play up north before he retires to see more of his mum. But the arrogant, indiscreet manner in which he did so was not exactly conducive to dressing-room bonhomie, and some of his other comments veered between better-left-unsaid and WILL YOU PLEASE SHUT UP JUST SHUT UP RIGHT NOW PLEASE SHUT UP. In the parlance of our time, he’s had a right Trump.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Have we not argued this before? For every waste of money punt we have made, we have also made either an expensive signing or a high-profile signing on a lower fee that actually turned out fantastically well. Point being, waste of money punts are not intrinsically good, big money signings are not intrinsically bad.
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Emirates Marketing Project ironically have and have had more wastage as a club in terms of wages and fees paid for huge players which if you looked at both models objectively ours is better. Theirs is masked by the fact that they can pay HUGE for Navas and let him go on a free and replaced by another HUGE name/fee and salary.

Our model is more successful than the big guys and is also more in line with people like ROse having a decent progression in the game, which he overlooks
 
Modric THFC said:
There's maybe a £100m to spend on fees and wages given the Walker money and the increase in TV money.

We have a wage structure where our highest paid players Kane and Lloris are on around the same as 100k wages as Troy Deeney at Watford. Across London Benteke is on 120k at Palace. At West Ham they have Javier Hernandez on 140k and Joe Hart on 120k(city paying another 55k).

There's only so many years our players will stay on these wages.

Don't be surprised to see them force they way out the same way Walker did through a row with Poch.
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I suppose that depends on how long those club's owners can afford to continue running at a loss.
 
Just explained to the wife the issue around wages and she actually did some quick maths.... highly unlike her

Basically we pay less than £1m a week less than Arsenal so that's £80k per first 11 player

How do we make that gap up in one seaon
 
milo said:
I think two or three players leaving and joining each summer is about right. It keeps things fresh and players on their toes.

The Google comment is just pig ignorance and insulting to his team mates. He should remember that no one knew who he was when he joined and that some of our lesser known signings have turned into our best players.
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But is it? Would Eric Dier have expected anyone to know who he was? Same with Dele Alli? Everyone would have known Alder, Vertonghen, Eriksen, Wanyama, Dembele, Lloris, Sissoko etc. Its not obvious to me who would have been offended...GKN perhaps?
 
Grays_1890 said:
I would rank them above Danny Rose, his Agent and that pug nosed gimp from the Sun
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Sure, fair enough. But they're not *every* pundit, is all.

Grays_1890 said:
Emirates Marketing Project ironically have and have had more wastage as a club in terms of wages and fees paid for huge players which if you looked at both models objectively ours is better. Theirs is masked by the fact that they can pay HUGE for Navas and let him go on a free and replaced by another HUGE name/fee and salary.

Our model is more successful than the big guys and is also more in line with people like ROse having a decent progression in the game, which he overlooks
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Objectively? The objective of the game is to win trophies, finish first in competitions. That is the objective reality of it - a league is set up the way it is to enable 20 or so teams to compete to see who finishes top.

*Subjectively*, it's a whole different ballgame with love, morality, ethics, passion, marginal progress and risk versus reward coming and going at all sorts of weird places. But objectively, the game is about winning - all else is incidental.

And, objectively, City have blown us out of the water in terms of their model. They have won the Premier League. Twice. They have won cups. They have finished above us more than we have finished above them in the last few seasons.

That's what matters from an objective standpoint. When Aguero scored his last-minute, league-winning goal, not a single City fan in the stadium that day thought 'if only we could match Spurs' net spend!'. Again, subjectively it's a different story, and everyone has their own, valid view - but that's the fact of the matter.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Just explained to the wife the issue around wages and she actually did some quick maths.... highly unlike her

Basically we pay less than £1m a week less than Arsenal so that's £80k per first 11 player

How do we make that gap up in one seaon
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We dont. We do it over time. Once the stadium development is finished, then that massive unknown (ie the final cost) is out the way so its easier to plan. We should then be adjusting to Arse and Liverpool's wages over say 4-5 years...if the gap is £80k then give a £100k player £120k next year, £140k the year after, then £160k and then £180k.
 
AdamB said:
But is it? Would Eric Dier have expected anyone to know who he was? Same with Dele Alli? Everyone would have known Alder, Vertonghen, Eriksen, Wanyama, Dembele, Lloris, Sissoko etc. Its not obvious to me who would have been offended...GKN perhaps?
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It is insulting because he is suggesting that they are not of high enough calibre to impress him. Lee Young-Pyo probably thought the same when he joined.
 
parklane1 said:
I am with you Steff, the problem however is that football is full of NEW fans who want everything NOW and are not prepared to do it the right way. I have said it before but i truely HATE football and todays game and if it was not for my LOVE of Spurs i would pack it in for good.

I hate the money involved, i hate the press and all their lackys, but most of all i hate the NEW fans who are always crying about the way we do things, they are the ones who want it and they want it now and if they do not get it start wailing and crying and stamping their feet. I care about my club and as i say i always will but we have got a lot of fans who just are never happy and i can only think they get a buzz out of moaning, bitching, crying about the way out club is run.

RANT OVER.
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Sorry Parklane, I respect your posts immensely and you are clearly a devoted fan; but at the end of last season you were not satisfied with our second place finish in itself. You made several posts then and since stating we must win a trophy soon to stop our best players leaving. Well how do we do that unless we bring in the quality players that strengthen our squad and keep hold of the quality players we have? You cannot have it both ways!

For me Danny Rose is correct to at least ask questions about the fact that not only have we not bought anyone in this transfer window but we have sold a first team regular to the team that finished only one place below us.

Watching Danny Rose play for Spurs all these years you know that one thing that makes him stand out from others is his desire to win. I love his passion. He is the type of player we absolutely must keep - even more than Walker and I was gutted to lose him.

If he is indeed being courted by Chelsea and Man Utd then it should tell us how good he is, I don't blame him if he goes and earns himself more money. It is up to the club to match the ambition of these talented players on the pitch as well as off it or we will always take one step forward and 2 back. That is the reality of modern football.
 
milo said:
It is insulting because he is suggesting that they are not of high enough calibre to impress him. Lee Young-Pyo probably thought the same when he joined.
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So its not the google comment which you think would have insulted them, more the comment that we dont have enough quality in depth. I can understand that that might caused a few players outside the core 15-16 players who are genuine first choice calibre players (so people like GKN, Wimmer perhaps, maybe Janssen) but I dont see that the Google comment should offend anyone. Its pretty accurate...how many people knew much about Jeremy Toljan or Giovanni Simeone etc without googling them?
 
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