Coronavirus

[markysimmo]

Has the snow had an impact on the vaccinations? Probably slowed things down quite a bit I guess?

Yes lots of centres having to shut unfortunately

 

[monkeybarry]

If you booked with a credit card, just tell your bank to get your money back - they'll just want to see proof that the airline has refused a refund (as opposed to a voucher). Anyway, launch a claim and your bank will tell you what to do.

I'm already pursing an S75 - they are just taking a long time.
However, it was booked via an agent and there is hole is S75 which means they may not be liable.
We'll see.
I'm not even that bothered about the £ - i wrote it off as soon as covid hit. It's just weird to think that I may not be able to use either option as they expire end of 2022!!!

 

[monkeybarry]

Be wary of the vouchers. Most of them have small print that they can take their time to pay you after the end of the year too.

It's already been a year anyway. If I see the £ again, great.
If I come through a pandemic with just a £500 loss, I'll be ok with that.

 

[Glenda's Legs]

That's for failing to quarantine, right?

There's no need to quarantine if arriving from Ireland.

'There isn't but you do still have to compete the passenger locator form about countries you've visited. So if you lie about having been in a 'red list' country, there's now the threat of a specific penalty (prison sentence), so a risk assessment on a) the likelihood of getting caught, and b) the level of realistically likely penalty, comes into play.

 

[Legohamster]

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I’ve had a good chuckle at this today, it’s a nothing rule, there is no flights from 95% of the red list destinations and in the case of South America hasn’t been for months- which made the ban a few weeks ago a bigger moment of laughter.

It’s PR pure and simple.

Pretty clear from this afternoon’s press conference that foreign holiday travel remains a long way off. I’m waiting to cash in a holiday postponed just before Lockdown 1 last March.

2022...maybe?

I’d settle for getting to see my family in N Ireland at the minute.

I think you will be lucky to find many companies to book with if Summer is cancelled.

 

[johnola]

Yeah We’ve got a couple of flights next week To Germany and back which haven’t been cancelled (so no refund). I can rebook at the weekend but what a joke.

How are flights like that still scheduled!?

 

[Glenda's Legs]

I’ve had a good chuckle at this today, it’s a nothing rule, there is no flights from 95% of the red list destinations and in the case of South America hasn’t been for months- which made the ban a few weeks ago a bigger moment of laughter.

It’s PR pure and simple.

The hotel quarantine applies to people coming from those destinations on indirect flights, and the home quarantine, two-test + fines/prison sentence apply to everyone.

But I won't be holding my breath on a strict level of enforcement. It's just something else they can point to, to say "we're protecting the borders". It only means something if there are resources to police & enforce the measures.

 

[Glenda's Legs]

Yeah We’ve got a couple of flights next week To Germany and back which haven’t been cancelled (so no refund). I can rebook at the weekend but what a joke.

How are flights like that still scheduled!?

Because essential travel is still allowed, and there are people outside of that category willing to break the law and travel. So if the airline thinks it will have enough passengers to justify a flight, there's no reason not to keep it on the schedule.
Costs are going up now, with the two compulsory PCR tests that will be needed during return home quarantine, in addition to the one required before a traveller can get on a plane. It will dissuade more people I guess.

 

[Legohamster]

The hotel quarantine applies to people coming from those destinations on indirect flights, and the home quarantine, two-test + fines/prison sentence apply to everyone.

But I won't be holding my breath on a strict level of enforcement. It's just something else they can point to, to say "we're protecting the borders". It only means something if there are resources to police & enforce the measures.

How many people do you think are currently in those destinations coming to the U.K.?

Portugal/UAE aside - UAE was added because of the instatacos out there and the public outcry - the numbers are non existent.

The Gov picked 33 countries with zero impact and the two above to show they are tough, it’s doing something without actually doing something.

I’d love to see the numbers using the rooms, excluding UAE.

I’m happy to admit I’m wrong if they ever reach close to the max rooms booked.

 

[markysimmo]

 

[johnola]

Because essential travel is still allowed, and there are people outside of that category willing to break the law and travel. So if the airline thinks it will have enough passengers to justify a flight, there's no reason not to keep it on the schedule.
Costs are going up now, with the two compulsory PCR tests that will be needed during return home quarantine, in addition to the one required before a traveller can get on a plane. It will dissuade more people I guess.

I’ve rarely been out of my house for a year but I am sure you are right.

Now though, you can’t get on a flight without a negative test. So four tests to travel to between countries where almost everything including hotels are shut, and requiring ten days complete isolation.

Hopefully all the business people who’ve been ignoring these rules to attend long lunch meetings will have cancelled today and the airline follows suit swiftly after.

I could do with my money back!

 

[Favour]

Anything to stop you going now? Dubai's open isn't it?

Getting back might be a little circuitous - you'd need to fly to somewhere in Europe with open borders. Then you'd be able to go to Ireland and fly back from there.

That's for failing to quarantine, right?

There's no need to quarantine if arriving from Ireland.

This is really terrible advice. You should do more research before spouting nonsense like this.

 

[Diamond Lights]

The hotel quarantine applies to people coming from those destinations on indirect flights, and the home quarantine, two-test + fines/prison sentence apply to everyone.

But I won't be holding my breath on a strict level of enforcement. It's just something else they can point to, to say "we're protecting the borders". It only means something if there are resources to police & enforce the measures.

I mean, i know someone who flew in from SA and is quarantining but he easily could just ignore it if he chose. Also - how does someone get home from the airport?

1) Public transport - potential to share COVID with lots of people
2) Taxi - potential to share COVID with one person (who interacts with lots of people in the course of their daily job before symptoms may develop (if at all).

Our failure to quarentine properly again, means the horse has well and truly bolted over controlling the SA variant. "oh but the UK is a major hub" - yes that's exactly why you want to implement quarentine, for that very reason. You think the SA variant will be prevalent in Prague? No. It will be in major hubs like ours and we've already lost control.

 

[Legohamster]

I mean, i know someone who flew in from SA and is quarantining but he easily could just ignore it if he chose. Also - how does someone get home from the airport?

1) Public transport - potential to share COVID with lots of people
2) Taxi - potential to share COVID with one person (who interacts with lots of people in the course of their daily job before symptoms may develop (if at all).

Our failure to quarentine properly again, means the horse has well and truly bolted over controlling the SA variant. "oh but the UK is a major hub" - yes that's exactly why you want to implement quarentine, for that very reason. You think the SA variant will be prevalent in Prague? No. It will be in major hubs like ours and we've already lost control.

You forgot to mention he needed a clear test to get on the plane heading to the U.K. which is quite a big part to miss out and put context to the rest of that.

 

[scaramanga]

This is really terrible advice. You should do more research before spouting nonsense like this.

There are no checks within the EU to my knowledge - our EU employees are moving around freely all over.

The govt stated themselves there are no checks coming from Ireland.

 

[Favour]

There are no checks within the EU to my knowledge - our EU employees are moving around freely all over.

The govt stated themselves there are no checks coming from Ireland.

You would need to stay 11 days in Ireland before travelling onto the UK.

 

[P.D.]

The hotel quarantine applies to people coming from those destinations on indirect flights, and the home quarantine, two-test + fines/prison sentence apply to everyone.

But I won't be holding my breath on a strict level of enforcement. It's just something else they can point to, to say "we're protecting the borders". It only means something if there are resources to police & enforce the measures.

I thought the hotel quarantine was for people coming on direct flights, how would they know if I flew from Dubai to Germany to London for instance apart from the form you fill in which from accounts no one checks anyway.

 

[scaramanga]

You would need to stay 11 days in Ireland before travelling onto the UK.

If there's no checks, why?

 

[scaramanga]

I thought the hotel quarantine was for people coming on direct flights, how would they know if I flew from Dubai to Germany to London for instance apart from the form you fill in which from accounts no one checks anyway.

Precisely.

 

[Diamond Lights]

You forgot to mention he needed a clear test to get on the plane heading to the U.K. which is quite a big part to miss out and put context to the rest of that.

You're right, I even text the guy to ask and he confirmed and you are right.

Want to hear what else he told me? The airline just mailed today and confirmed there was a positive case on-board the flight <insert the laughing emoji here>

That's right, because testing is not 100% effective, he's been back over a week and quarantined at home but can't speak for others and now been confirmed someone he flew with has tested positive.

So back to my point and what Keir Starmer said other day. It's been 50 days since we knew of the SA variant to the start of quarantine enforcement. We knew the efficacy is massively downgraded and we again have just not bothered fixing the root cause. Again, a government insistent on being tough on borders it actually isn't.


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