Contingency planning : When Ange is sacked, who should replace him?

[Hotspur75]

Inzaghi leaving Inter and going to Al Hilal apparently. No link-up with Paratici then, good for us.

 

[thfcsteff]

To be fair, he went against his entire philosophy in the EL Final. There was also little sign of 'Angeball' (not that I believe that realy exists) last season.

And in the run to it. And for a few months we saw him not pushing the FBs as high up...

 

[Raziel]

I think that's a pretty rude comment.

BTW in one presumption, you have dismissed literally weeks of discussion going over why this league season might've happened and why it won't again. Still, no worries...

Wasn't meant to be offensive mate, wrong wording, nothing more

But hopefully you understand the point, do I think he can/will change (cup showed some promise of that), it's just that much change?

 

[Gutter Boy]

Inzaghi leaving Inter and going to Al Hilal apparently. No link-up with Paratici then, good for us.

Hopefully Xavi is Paratici's pitch. There's been noise about that for a while

 

[Mcfee]

Inzaghi leaving Inter and going to Al Hilal apparently. No link-up with Paratici then, good for us.

Ange off to Inter then.
“Listen blokes, This is how you win a European Cup.”

 

[Gazza]

Hopefully Xavi is Paratici's pitch. There's been noise about that for a while

No there has not and I looked into this he is not all that as a manager. Do you believe everything that you think?

 

[Yiddo]

No there has not and I looked into this he is not all that as a manager. Do you believe everything that you think?

Well Xavi has flirted with premier league clubs with an interview Romano reported where he said he wanted to work in the premier league with a team that want a project. We seem to be the only team that are looking that fit that criteria.

 

[thfcsteff]

Wasn't meant to be offensive mate, wrong wording, nothing more

But hopefully you understand the point, do I think he can/will change (cup showed some promise of that), it's just that much change?

OK, appreciate that.
It's been discussed in great detail for weeks. People either do or don't think it can happen. I am angry at myself for even returning to the discussions TBH...

 

[Gutter Boy]

No there has not and I looked into this he is not all that as a manager. Do you believe everything that you think?

Google Paratici and Xavi. There's been stories about a connection between them since March.

Im neutral to him as a candidate, but he's by way the shortest odds of the non EPL mid-table choices. He plays good football, focuses on youth development and has a similar background to Enrique, which is enough to bring him into the conversion. His playing profile gives him a bit of star quality and maybe helps boost player attraction/retention.

 

[Lemonade Money]

Wasn't meant to be offensive mate, wrong wording, nothing more

But hopefully you understand the point, do I think he can/will change (cup showed some promise of that), it's just that much change?

Son leaving/not starting covers that.

 

[braineclipse]

It's the scale of change required, not sure how you don't see that.

As I've said, top 6 is status quo for the club for pretty much two decades (it's not overachieving at this point), so Ange's change would require -> cutting out 13 losses, reducing conceded goals by 14 in a 38 game season, earning 28 more points, just to meet par? That's not a tweak, it's a massive change.



And those are all valid points, and would be much more credible context if we had won our home games against the dross of the PL and struggled against better sides, we just plain struggled against everyone.

Listen, I want to believe, but it feels like that call to give a relationship one more go when you "know" what's going to happen.

I essentially think there's almost a zero percent chance that this season's league form is anything other than an anomaly under Ange. A lot of factors in that, but a bit of a perfect storm situation.

I think the scale of change is not that massive.

But I also think at this point he's most likely gone and probably better to just wait and see what happens.

I actually struggle to see a decision on the manager front I'd be really unhappy about. But similarly also struggling to see a decision I'd be really happy about. But haven't put a lot of time into thinking about the options, rather just look and think about whoever ends up being the guy this time around.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

I actually struggle to see a decision on the manager front I'd be really unhappy about. But similarly also struggling to see a decision I'd be really happy about. But haven't put a lot of time into thinking about the options, rather just look and think about whoever ends up being the guy this time around.

Exactly my thoughts

 

[Bullet]

The more important thing is that we buy the right players.
The manager for this season will do his best, he will gets lots right and wrong and we will finish *somewhere" and then he will either get another chance or we will try someone else, then someone else.

It is the players that will truly drag us up. Recruitment is the key, as long as the manager is competent.

 

[kb 1984]

The more important thing is that we buy the right players.
The manager for this season will do his best, he will gets lots right and wrong and we will finish *somewhere" and then he will either get another chance or we will try someone else, then someone else.

It is the players that will truly drag us up. Recruitment is the key, as long as the manager is competent.

As it's the players who will drag us up should we listen to the current crop of players who seem to support Ange or do we only listen once Ange is gone.

 

[Mr Gogolak]

As it's the players who will drag us up should we listen to the current crop of players who seem to support Ange or do we only listen once Ange is gone.

One of the best things Pochettino did at this club was getting rid of the players who thought they should have a say in the management of the team. I believe we did that too - although more quietly - after the Espirito Santo debacle. The right time to listen to your players is: never. They are paid (and well-paid, I might add) to play and do what they're told. If they want to pick the manager themselves, they can buy a club and see if their football knowledge matches their egos.

 

[kb 1984]

One of the best things Pochettino did at this club was getting rid of the players who thought they should have a say in the management of the team. I believe we did that too - although more quietly - after the Espirito Santo debacle. The right time to listen to your players is: never. They are paid (and well-paid, I might add) to play and do what they're told. If they want to pick the manager themselves, they can buy a club and see if their football knowledge matches their egos.

Agreed but if we are going to get players to drag us up they might want some input. We might not like it but players do have say. Certain players had Pochettino ear others didn't same as dl listened to certain players. If you don't believe that no problem

 

[braineclipse]

The more important thing is that we buy the right players.
The manager for this season will do his best, he will gets lots right and wrong and we will finish *somewhere" and then he will either get another chance or we will try someone else, then someone else.

It is the players that will truly drag us up. Recruitment is the key, as long as the manager is competent.

Fully agreed.

I think our squad is the best it's been since the CL final. Particularly if factoring in age and potential.

Keep buying well. Get a mix of here and now ready made while also adding more players with top level potential and we'll keep heading in the right direction.

I think Ange deserves credit for getting us the EL trophy. But the recruitment in recent years (since Paratici came in) is the biggest difference maker. Short term thinking like under Mourinho and partially under Conte for that period and I think the chances of us getting that title would have been much smaller.

For me that is at least also a factor in being somewhat Ange in. Squad development wise we're moving in a very good direction with him as our manager.

 

[harr1984]

One of the best things Pochettino did at this club was getting rid of the players who thought they should have a say in the management of the team. I believe we did that too - although more quietly - after the Espirito Santo debacle. The right time to listen to your players is: never. They are paid (and well-paid, I might add) to play and do what they're told. If they want to pick the manager themselves, they can buy a club and see if their football knowledge matches their egos.

Which of our players have wanted to have a say in the management of the team? A lot of them have made it clear they love playing for Ange which is not the same thing, and like it or not and right or wrong player buy in to the manager is massive. That of course does not mean a manager should stay regardless as there are other considerations, but if you don't have the buy in of the players you are screwed and it is certainly something to consider....

 

[Mikey10]

Which of our players have wanted to have a say in the management of the team? A lot of them have made it clear they love playing for Ange which is not the same thing, and like it or not and right or wrong player buy in to the manager is massive. That of course does not mean a manager should stay regardless as there are other considerations, but if you don't have the buy in of the players you are screwed and it is certainly something to consider....

We went months (maybe a year or more?) in the PL without looking like there was any buy-in from the players.

The quality of football was awful (it was in the EL final too - but I was more than happy to take it to gain a trophy), we frequently conceded very early, and the players often looked during games as if they weren't that arsed/didn't understand the plan.

I get the argument for keeping Ange post-EL win from a vibes/a getting across the line mindset/emotional point of view. But the evidence of buy-in on the pitch was almost always lacking for the 12 months leading up to the big win, even if it was sometimes there on the players' X accounts.

 

[harr1984]

We went months (maybe a year or more?) in the PL without looking like there was any buy-in from the players.

The quality of football was awful (it was in the EL final too - but I was more than happy to take it to gain a trophy), we frequently conceded very early, and the players often looked during games as if they weren't that arsed/didn't understand the plan.

I get the argument for keeping Ange post-EL win from a vibes/a getting across the line mindset/emotional point of view. But the evidence of buy-in on the pitch was almost always lacking for the 12 months leading up to the big win, even if it was sometimes there on the players' X accounts.

Just can't agree Mikey, if a load of the players on the pitch were underperforming because the players weren't bothered or didn't like the manager/buy in to his methods or whatever, Levy would very quickly catch wind of this. Especially with our league form there is no chance Ange would have survived if that was the case.....