Contingency planning : we've found our guy

[Lemonade Money]

Manager gets slated for not having a plan B.
Manager changes tactics.
Manager gets slated for abandoning his principles.

 

[markysimmo]

 

[clownfoot]

I’m happy with Frank, like what he’s done at Brentford and think his adaptability will be a strength. I do however feel it may take a while for him to adapt to the 2 games a week schedule we have, especially considering how he likes to meticulously prepare a game plan for each opponent. It is something I think he can overcome though.

Not sure if it’s the right thread to raise but I feel it’s yet another appointment where the board have selected someone who is almost a reactionary selection to the manager they are replacing.

Poch didn’t manage to win anything with us - solution - get a serial winner
2 serial winners played boring football - solution - get someone who plays attractive football in with Ange
Ange’s league form was abysmal due to trying to play the same way despite injuries etc - solution - get a manager who is tactically adaptable

Obviously there is a lot more nuance to these manager and the reasons they didn’t work out, but the shift in what the board are after seems to be continuously reactionary

 

[monkeybarry]

I spent May, June, July and August 2023 replying to people who thought it was a bad appointment because of the reason I stated.

Many of whom drew comparisons with footballing tactics that are not suited to the top level, especially in league football.
The results evidence this.

 

[Baleforce]

And again someone else taking a pop at the first European trophy we've won in 41 years. Should we return it because it 'isn't up to some supporter's standards'?

No, but we should apply context.

 

[markysimmo]

I know it's not the PL or the CL but he had 2 seasons in the Championship with Brentford pretty much playing two games a week
So he does have experience

 

[parklane1]

And again someone else taking a pop at the first European trophy we've won in 41 years. Should we return it because it 'isn't up to some supporter's standards'?

Haters have to hate, sad really.

 

[Raziel]

I’m happy with Frank, like what he’s done at Brentford and think his adaptability will be a strength. I do however feel it may take a while for him to adapt to the 2 games a week schedule we have, especially considering how he likes to meticulously prepare a game plan for each opponent. It is something I think he can overcome though.

Not sure if it’s the right thread to raise but I feel it’s yet another appointment where the board have selected someone who is almost a reactionary selection to the manager they are replacing.

Poch didn’t manage to win anything with us - solution - get a serial winner
2 serial winners played boring football - solution - get someone who plays attractive football in with Ange
Ange’s league form was abysmal due to trying to play the same way despite injuries etc - solution - get a manager who is tactically adaptable

Obviously there is a lot more nuance to these manager and the reasons they didn’t work out, but the shift in what the board are after seems to be continuously reactionary

Historically I agree, but I think Frank is not that polar opposite to Ange that some others were, very specifically
- His flexibility means we don't have to make major surgery to get the squad to be able to play his system
- He's a very good communicator who is popular with his players (very Ange like there), more the motivator (in BMJ/Harry/Poch/Ange style)
- He plays football where the goal is to get the ball forward quickly (little more direct at times) but still progressive
- Importantly he is another manager that sees Spurs as a step up, somewhere he wants to work. I hope we never see another fudging manager that thinks they are doing Spurs a favor (Jose/Conte)

I actually think he is more evolution, it's addressing Ange's flaws (tactics and concerns re injuries) without going to a total different model

 

[markysimmo]

 

[thfcsteff]

No, but we should apply context.

Of course. To everything.

 

[mudshark]

And again someone else taking a pop at the first European trophy we've won in 41 years. Should we return it because it 'isn't up to some supporter's standards'?

The truth hurts, Steff. Interesting spread of reactions to my post.

 

[thfcsteff]

The truth hurts, Steff. Interesting spread of reactions to my post.

Truth? What is the truth here then?

 

[Muttley]

I’m happy with Frank, like what he’s done at Brentford and think his adaptability will be a strength. I do however feel it may take a while for him to adapt to the 2 games a week schedule we have, especially considering how he likes to meticulously prepare a game plan for each opponent. It is something I think he can overcome though.

Not sure if it’s the right thread to raise but I feel it’s yet another appointment where the board have selected someone who is almost a reactionary selection to the manager they are replacing.

Poch didn’t manage to win anything with us - solution - get a serial winner
2 serial winners played boring football - solution - get someone who plays attractive football in with Ange
Ange’s league form was abysmal due to trying to play the same way despite injuries etc - solution - get a manager who is tactically adaptable

Obviously there is a lot more nuance to these manager and the reasons they didn’t work out, but the shift in what the board are after seems to be continuously reactionary

It's a decent thought process. As you say, there's more to it.

I'm hoping it is a build though. An example is that despite his tactical frailties, Ange instilled a belief system in the players. He built a togetherness that I would label win together / lose together. My feeling is that Frank already has all of that at Brentford. Nobody would shout from the rooftops about it. They just expect it under Frank.

I think it's also clear that Frank has sacrificed goals in his own net to pursue goals in the opposition net. He never set Brentford out to concede only 40 goals at the expense of not being able to attack. His BMW forward line was being talked about at the time of PL promotion. He's probably on his 3rd generation of a forward line after Toney left last season. His forward lines is what he's famous for.

So if he has got the cultural aspects, the tactical aspects and he can get us playing front foot football then he could do really well. That is, factoring in the levels of budget we have at Spurs nowadays. I guess you never know a manager until they become your manager. I had a totally open mind about Ange. It was Ange that helped me see that he wasn't the right fit for our next chapter. Frank could go either way.

 

[Bullet]

I like that Frank will sit deep PURELY to encourage the opposition forwards, so there is space behind for the pace of Wissa Mbeumo Schade. We have pace in Johnson Son Solanke.

 

[Finney Is Back]

So we now have a thread about who our manager should be after our next, non confirmed manager - if he indeed happens to be Thomas Frank - is fired.

Talk about long term planning.

Except with Spurs it’s not actually that long term….

 

[metalgear]

seems like its all but confirmed on social media.
hopefully the delay just means getting more brentford coaching personnel over. one of them was a spurs youth coach, will be good to have him back.

 

[braineclipse]

Manager gets slated for not having a plan B.
Manager changes tactics.
Manager gets slated for abandoning his principles.

Pretty much. The only way to avoid that is to get good enough results. Good enough results and you're a genius no matter what you do, and the managers currently struggling should do more of whatever the current genius does.

On the actual "geniuses", the elite managers, there's quite a lot of variation in how they approach things. Pointing to there not being a one best/good solution.

 

[braineclipse]

Historically I agree, but I think Frank is not that polar opposite to Ange that some others were, very specifically
- His flexibility means we don't have to make major surgery to get the squad to be able to play his system
- He's a very good communicator who is popular with his players (very Ange like there), more the motivator (in BMJ/Harry/Poch/Ange style)
- He plays football where the goal is to get the ball forward quickly (little more direct at times) but still progressive
- Importantly he is another manager that sees Spurs as a step up, somewhere he wants to work. I hope we never see another fudging manager that thinks they are doing Spurs a favor (Jose/Conte)

I actually think he is more evolution, it's addressing Ange's flaws (tactics and concerns re injuries) without going to a total different model

I agree. Not as much of a reactionary appointment as we've seen in the past.

95% of the time there will be significant differences between the approach or the outgoing and incoming managers. Even if getting someone as similar as possible was the one key important priority often there wouldn't be anyone really similar available and at the right level.

To add to your points of similarity. Seems happy to work with and develop younger players. No experience at the higher end of a top league, but a good record at a somewhat lower level. Seems like a decent human being.

 

[mudshark]

Truth? What is the truth here then?

You can read, can't you? Anyway, I've said my piece. He's out the door and thank Christ for it. I don't want to think about him anymore, so that's my final word on the subject, and on to the next guy.