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Compare us to Leicester. Thoughts?

Pirate55

Pirate55

The Last Man Standing 17/18
Three years ago we were both vieing for the PL Championship. As we all know, against all the odds, they won it and yet with a vastly superior team we lost out. For me, the two critical games that season were against Leicester. We drew away and lost at home., despite outplaying them in both games. That 9 point swing proved critical in the final analysis.

However what I am currently interested in , is what happened next. They sold virtually all their stars for mega money. Kante, Drinkwater, the winger City bought. Their Premiership winning manager started stalling and they got rid. After a false start, they brought in a new manager who rejuvenated the team bringing in many youthful unknown players and forging a new exciting team. Only two players remain from their PL victory - Scmichael and Vardy. They even bought and sold at a huge profit, Maguire. They look and play like the team we were three years ago.

Compare and Contrast that to the fortunes of Spurs. We have gradually got steadily worse and our manager and team seem stale. We have virtually the same team ( less Dembele and Walker) from that side three years ago. We have brought in many, many substandard players who not only haven’t improved the team, they haven’t even improved the squad in most cases. Our latest signings have yet to make an impression so the jury is still out.

The question is, are we on the right track? Something is seriously wrong with the team, manager, coaching, recruiting, sales (or lack thereof). For me, a radical overhaul is necessary and a root and breach change needed. I would give Poch till Christmas to see if he is part of the problem or part of the solution. Otherwise a new man needs the Jan and Summer transfer budgets to install a new regime. Thoughts?
 
Pirate55 said:
Three years ago we were both vieing for the PL Championship. As we all know, against all the odds, they won it and yet with a vastly superior team we lost out. For me, the two critical games that season were against Leicester. We drew away and lost at home., despite outplaying them in both games. That 9 point swing proved critical in the final analysis.

However what I am currently interested in , is what happened next. They sold virtually all their stars for mega money. Kante, Drinkwater, the winger City bought. Their Premiership winning manager started stalling and they got rid. After a false start, they bought in a new manager who rejuvenated the team bringing in many youthful unknown players and forging a new exciting team. Only two players remain from their PL victory - Scmichael and Vardy. They even bought and sold at a huge profit, Maguire. They look and play like the team we were three years ago.

Compare and Contrast that to the fortunes of Spurs. We have gradually got steadily worse and our manager and team seem stale. We have virtually the same team ( less Dembele and Walker) from that side three years ago. We have bought in many, many substandard players who not only haven’t improved the team, they haven’t even improved the squad in most cases. Our latest signings have yet to make an impression so the jury is still out.

The question is, are we on the right track? Something is seriously wrong with the team, manager, coaching, recruiting, sales (or lack thereof). For me, a radical overhaul is necessary and a root and breach change needed. I would give Poch till Christmas to see if he is part of the problem or part of the solution. Otherwise a new man needs the Jan and Summer transfer budgets to install a new regime. Thoughts?
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I'd love to have won the league that year, like all Spurs fans, and it sticks in the throat that we didn't.

However, their performance over the subsequent seasons has been nowhere near ours and I wouldn't bank on them finishing ahead of us this season yet. Also, even if Rodgers is the right man for them, he was their third punt after sacking Ranieri. Would we be happy to have to go through two failed managers to get the man to take us on?

As long as Poch wants this job, and I have grave reservations over him, I think he deserves this season and the start of next to see if he can turn this around. So, in conclusion, I'd rather stick with what we have than go down the same road as Leicester.
 
Basically we went though a period of hoovering up lots of good young up and coming players. (Dele £5m, Dier, £4.5m, Trippier £3.5m, Eriksen £11m, Wanyama £10m etc)

We stopped that when the domestic prices started rising and started buying crap from the french league, or no one at all, instead.

Leicester pinched our hoover and were prepared to invest and play the market of the time. Maguire (£17m) Maddison (£20m) Pereira (£20m) Tielemans (£40m) Soyuncu (£20m) Ndidi (£16m)

and we’ve got left behind.
 
StephenH said:
I prefer ’We got overtaken’.
We need to show some patience and then go again!
Time for us to use our new money generating system of the stadium etc.
But this will take time and maybe, maybe some big changes!
Continually moaning about our current troubles is just irritating!
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It seems we need a thread to go round and round in circles to be happy.
 
Jon said:
Basically we went though a period of hoovering up lots of good young up and coming players. (Dele £5m, Dier, £4.5m, Trippier £3.5m, Eriksen £11m, Wanyama £10m etc)

We stopped that when the domestic prices started rising and started buying crap from the french league, or no one at all, instead.

Leicester pinched our hoover and were prepared to invest and play the market of the time. Maguire (£17m) Maddison (£20m) Pereira (£20m) Tielemans (£40m) Soyuncu (£20m) Ndidi (£16m)

and we’ve got left behind.
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an interesting take on things, i think when you are in Leicesters position as we once were you have a bit more freedom to make such signings - i think our plan was always to put a team together that can grow over a few seasons reducing the need to dip in to the market while we moved in to the new stadium and had to tighten our belts accordingly. For one reason or another this approach has bought about unforeseen (?) issues late on in it's era but signs are that we are in a good place to buy top level talent in the market now that we are out the other side of the build - if we are shopping for the likes of Ndombele and Lo Celso, players with ability now and with potential to reach the very top in the future then we will not go too far wrong in the short to medium term.
 
I’m not sure the question would have been posed any of the seasons after the league win and ultimately we can judge at the end of the season.

what has happened when since Leicester won the league is we have been operating with a hand brake on, firstly we handicap ourselves by leaving what has become a fortress of a home ground to play at a wembley and also we’d invested little or nothing in the playing squad over that time. I can only assume we were hamstrung by the stadium commitment financially that we had to keep the players running their contract down as we wouldn’t have been able to replace them with similar quality. I won’t mention selling Walker as Leicester sold more key players than that.
My hope is now the new ground is complete we will be able to reinvest at levels that would beyond most clubs in the division even without CL revenue.
It’s not clear to me how much the overrun has cost us in terms of the transfer budget going forward but it will take another couple of windows to get back to our previous levels, with or without a new manager. We are now reactively rebuilding the squad as we went a season too many believing we could continue to keep over achieving without even replacing our players let alone improving on what we had.
 
billyiddo said:
an interesting take on things, i think when you are in Leicesters position as we once were you have a bit more freedom to make such signings - i think our plan was always to put a team together that can grow over a few seasons reducing the need to dip in to the market while we moved in to the new stadium and had to tighten our belts accordingly. For one reason or another this approach has bought about unforeseen (?) issues late on in it's era but signs are that we are in a good place to buy top level talent in the market now that we are out the other side of the build - if we are shopping for the likes of Ndombele and Lo Celso, players with ability now and with potential to reach the very top in the future then we will not go too far wrong in the short to medium term.
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Anyway, never mind Leicester Billy, tell me all about these garden offices you’re suddenly peddling. Can I get a quote please?.....

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They play like we used to with pacey fullback.

Agree with what others have said about it was easier for them to sign up and coming players.

You have to wonder the truth about some of the players Poch turned down like Maddison and Brooks. How we could have been better if we got Grealish or De Jong.

The stadium should allow us to compete at a higher level then previously. Byt considering Poch got young players to play at a higher level I really dont see why he has not gone down that path again.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
They play like we used to with pacey fullback.

Agree with what others have said about it was easier for them to sign up and coming players.

You have to wonder the truth about some of the players Poch turned down like Maddison and Brooks. How we could have been better if we got Grealish or De Jong.

The stadium should allow us to compete at a higher level then previously. Byt considering Poch got young players to play at a higher level I really dont see why he has not gone down that path again.
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We're signing young players again, just ones on a higher level than before
 
Leicester have a very solid coach who gets the players in board with his plans
They invested in youth which was and is a bloody good strategy for a smaller club
But they had nothing to lose with their owners being loaded and bringing in big money in sales
Credit to them
Whatever they do, they club will be picked off by the vultures
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Leicester have a very solid coach who gets the players in board with his plans
They invested in youth which was and is a bloody good strategy for a smaller club
But they had nothing to lose with their owners being loaded and bringing in big money in sales
Credit to them
Whatever they do, they club will be picked off by the vultures
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If the vultures over pay like they did for Maguire then they can reinvest.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
If the vultures over pay like they did for Maguire then they can reinvest.
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Yes, but one off investment based on player sales eventually runs out, and you will make the odd bad investment that will wipe off that "bonus"

@nayenezgani has it right

Reality of EPL football is annual income is king and it doesn't matter what momentary investments are made

- United, Pool and the London clubs are the real money powerhouses of the PL, City is the exception because of money doping.

Leicester will have a little run, like a few others (they have a better peak), if Rodgers does well, he'll jump ship, so will the players. 5 years from now, they won't be relevant.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Levy is going back to the formula that has served him so well. Poch though? He is to obsessed with champs league to consider developing players anymore.
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Id imagine there's a very good chance at least Ndombele and Lo Celso were first choice targets of the manager and that Sessegnon at the very least was signed off on/agreed by him if not outright his choice, Clarke probably a club punt.

I think we've essentially bought a load of pap these past few years and it's that in particular Poch wanted to change by acting in a new way
 
What happened next?? in the next three seasons they finished 12,9,9. we finished 2,3,4. Now you only have to look at some of the hysteria here about our form so far this season. Just imagine if we had gone 12,9,9 it would have gone mad.

This season has not finished yet but trying to compere us to Leicester is ( imo) crazy.
 
He will get a song out of Leicester this season and possibly next season but then the squad will get sick of him and his ego. He’s very much Mourinho lite.
 
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