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Circus ManUnitus - Nobody's At The Wheel

They are sloppy and wasteful in so many areas!
The players know this and as @Jon said it leads to all sorts of complacency throughout the club!
Some start to knocks off and puts their collective feet up metaphorically!
 
Gazza Dazzla said:
They make so much money it’s unreal as well to be fair. At least it’s their money to waste unlike many/most other clubs.
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ManUre got lucky in snagging a great manager at the start of the formation of the EPL which allowed them to accumulate vast swarms of glory hunters globally and used that revenue to poach every decent player that any rival English club had; much like Bayern Munich do in Germany to this day.

So whilst it’s a tad annoying to see likes of Chavski and Emirates Marketing Project buying trophies with dirty oil money, I know so few supporters of theirs that I can dismiss their “success” quite easily. However it has been wonderful to see the hordes of gobby millennial ManUre fans who thought that they’d dominate football forever have their bubble burst :D
 
SteveAWOL said:
ManUre got lucky in snagging a great manager at the start of the formation of the EPL which allowed them to accumulate vast swarms of glory hunters globally and used that revenue to poach every decent player that any rival English club had; much like Bayern Munich do in Germany to this day.
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I agree, but non of that changes what I said. It’s their money, they earnt it, however lucky the timing was.
 
Well, they aren't digging themselves out of the hole with these new contracts. They're just making a bigger whole, that will lead to the same problems as they face today, with the likes of Sanchez and Smalling. They can't get rid.
Hopefully they'll keep doing it, and dig themselves even deeper into the brick.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
It's a good strategy, by paying such high wages they make it more difficult for other teams to sign or keep players.
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With their turnover they can afford it, but it gets ridiculously expensive in the long run. And situations like the one with Sanchez is almost guaranteed to be repeated.

If they could cut their wage budged by a bit they would have a lot more money to spend on transfer fees. Where they are now that seems like a difficult task. I'm not sure it's a good strategy, more just the situation they've backed themselves into by repeatedly failing in the transfer market and with manager appointments.
 
Gazza Dazzla said:
I agree, but non of that changes what I said. It’s their money, they earnt it, however lucky the timing was.
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Personally I see little difference between a club buying success with money from shirt sales or some billionaire who wants to splash the cash (wish UEFA had a squad wage cap like they have in NFL) and am pleased to see ManUre’s commercial income flatline as the glory hunting gobbricks finally realise that Ferguson was a once in a lifetime manager and they aren’t going to be allowed to steamroller the English league like Bayern and Juventus do in theirs.

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SteveAWOL said:
Personally I see little difference between a club buying success with money from shirt sales or some billionaire who wants to splash the cash (wish UEFA had a squad wage cap like they have in NFL) and am pleased to see ManUre’s commercial income flatline as the glory hunting gobbricks finally realise that Ferguson was a once in a lifetime manager and they aren’t going to be allowed to steamroller the English league like Bayern and Juventus do in theirs.
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The difference is, for me at least, that of ones wealth being earned vs a lottery win.

Utd became that financial monster by being the best team, at the right time, and really maximising their worth.

Not unlike what we are trying to do now.

Chelsea, City? It fell in their laps. Theres nothing earned about it. Its a lotto-lout kind of thing.

Which isnt to say I approve of Utds conduct over the years etc, only that I respect the fact they got there organically.
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
The difference is, for me at least, that of ones wealth being earned vs a lottery win.

Utd became that financial monster by being the best team, at the right time, and really maximising their worth.

Not unlike what we are trying to do now.

Chelsea, City? It fell in their laps. Theres nothing earned about it. Its a lotto-lout kind of thing.

Which isnt to say I approve of Utds conduct over the years etc, only that I respect the fact they got there organically.
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Yeah, there’s something more noble about it but had the status quo been allowed to continue then the EPL would’ve probably become as tedious a closed-shop as Bundesliga or Serie A; with one established giant garnering all the most lucrative sponsorships on the back of generations of glory hunters, allowing them to use the rest of the league as feeder clubs.

I only know a handful of Emirates Marketing Project fans and they’re all Mancs who’ve followed the club through thick & thin, so I don’t begrudge them their opportunity to gloat at the red shirted interlopers who invaded their patch!

Hopefully Levy has taken full advantage of the opportunity that FFP has given us to get back to challenging for top honours like you say though.
 
braineclipse said:
With their turnover they can afford it, but it gets ridiculously expensive in the long run. And situations like the one with Sanchez is almost guaranteed to be repeated.

If they could cut their wage budged by a bit they would have a lot more money to spend on transfer fees. Where they are now that seems like a difficult task. I'm not sure it's a good strategy, more just the situation they've backed themselves into by repeatedly failing in the transfer market and with manager appointments.
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They can probably afford their Sanchezs as much as we can our Janssens.
 
SteveAWOL said:
Yeah, there’s something more noble about it but had the status quo been allowed to continue then the EPL would’ve probably become as tedious a closed-shop as Bundesliga or Serie A; with one established giant garnering all the most lucrative sponsorships on the back of generations of glory hunters, allowing them to use the rest of the league as feeder clubs.

I only know a handful of Emirates Marketing Project fans and they’re all Mancs who’ve followed the club through thick & thin, so I don’t begrudge them their opportunity to gloat at the red shirted interlopers who invaded their patch!

Hopefully Levy has taken full advantage of the opportunity that FFP has given us to get back to challenging for top honours like you say though.
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I think Levy has completely insulated the club now. If there is ever a "financial crash" type event where the TV money bottoms out, we are laughing.

I only know a couple of City fans, they're conflicted on it. They know they dont "deserve" it, but short of supporting someone else they have no choice but to try and enjoy the ride. They know its hollow though.

I think you are probably right, left unchecked Utd were set to be a Bayern type set up, and its no bad thing that there is competition now. Even so, their success is more "genuine" to me, Chelsea and City? Meaningless...
 
United bought their success just like any of today's big clubs. United back in the day took full advantage of their superb youth system and had some good money people at the top. SAF was for me was primarily a good man-manager and realised the answer was to get good people around him like Mike Phelan.
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
I think Levy has completely insulated the club now. If there is ever a "financial crash" type event where the TV money bottoms out, we are laughing.

I only know a couple of City fans, they're conflicted on it. They know they dont "deserve" it, but short of supporting someone else they have no choice but to try and enjoy the ride. They know its hollow though.

I think you are probably right, left unchecked Utd were set to be a Bayern type set up, and its no bad thing that there is competition now. Even so, their success is more "genuine" to me, Chelsea and City? Meaningless...
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The lotto winners are the lesser of 2 evils imho, as it prevented ManUre from completely taking over English football plus I know so few Chavs and Emirates Marketing Project fans that their success barely affects me in any way. However, as the saying goes, you’re never more than 10 feet away from a rat or a ManUre fan!
 
StephenH said:
United bought their success just like any of today's big clubs. United back in the day took full advantage of their superb youth system and had some good money people at the top. SAF was for me was primarily a good man-manager and realised the answer was to get good people around him like Mike Phelan.
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So it’s not really buying success then if your bolded part is true (Which it is) and let’s be honest here, they’ve always been a traditional “glamour” club going back to the 50’s/60’s with a huge fan base this whole time.

For me Utd are completey different to the lottery winners. Of course they tinkle money up the wall, but it’s money they’ve earnt by being successful over the years. City and Chelsea are just yo-yo clubs with billions of non football generated money pumped in to them.
 
Gazza Dazzla said:
So it’s not really buying success then if your bolded part is true (Which it is) and let’s be honest here, they’ve always been a traditional “glamour” club going back to the 50’s/60’s with a huge fan base this whole time.

For me Utd are completey different to the lottery winners. Of course they tinkle money up the wall, but it’s money they’ve earnt by being successful over the years. City and Chelsea are just yo-yo clubs with billions of non football generated money pumped in to them.
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I think this is spot on, Utd became a global name after the " Munich Tragedy" and they attracted fans from all over the world partly due to that event. I have family who are S/T holders and they have said that same thing. They are a MASSIVE club around the world.
 
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