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"Champions of 3rd place, we know what we are"

Our record against the rest of the top six so far this season is hardly reassuring on that score. Have to say I remain doubtful we will beat Liverpool at Anfield and Chelsea at Stamford Bridge, two venues we very rarely if ever collect three points from.

We have our issues with certain types of fixtures just the same as the others have theirs, which is why the 4 of us are only seperated by a small margin...
 
We just need to out perform the teams we are competing with by 3 points - no reason to think we can't do that
As they average above 2 points per game, we need to be next to flawless and beat them head to head to catch up. And that is catching up only. This year we've been good at Wembley against good opposition, so it is still all in our hands. It is the flawless part we're struggling with. Then again our opponents have improved this season, while we haven't. Last year we won against chelsea. This year we lost. Man U and Emirates Marketing Project will this year be tougher at home.
 
As they average above 2 points per game, we need to be next to flawless and beat them head to head to catch up. And that is catching up only. This year we've been good at Wembley against good opposition, so it is still all in our hands. It is the flawless part we're struggling with. Then again our opponents have improved this season, while we haven't. Last year we won against chelsea. This year we lost. Man U and Emirates Marketing Project will this year be tougher at home.

Wait until May. That is my advice. I am enjoying the Liverpool love-in as it ignores a massive flaw they have, which is a lack of deeper football intelligence. They nearly threw it away against a poor City side because they cannot slow a game down and squeeze the life from it when comfortably ahead. Like a certain side did when they were 4-1 up against a top 4 competitor. Pace and power is not necessarily enough. I look at our squad and I see more basic intelligence and game management. Compare Liverpool man for man with our side and there is not one I would swap. So hang steady mate...


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Lol only a biased Spurs fan would have us as second best team in the league, we have been flirting with top 4 at best this season. Which is fine by the way, we’re playing at wembley etc so was never going to be easy. We’ve brushed aside a couple of rubbish teams like Soton and Stoke and now Everton which is great. But you’re going to have to argue a hell of a lot more than that to suggest we’re second best team - we lost to Chelsea, spanked by City, lost to Man U (I think?) lost to Arsenal, did well against Liverpool but how on earth that equates to being second best team in the league I don’t know. Liverpool are a better attacking outfit and maybe with Van Dijk might become gradually more solid defensively. Chelsea are Chelsea and whilst Man U aren’t pulling up any trees they still know how to get results. Top 4 will be a good achievement, we aren’t clearly better than any of the teams ahead of us...

Is the Wembley factor really hurting us? it might surprise a few to learn that we've only bettered our current home points-per-game average (similarly our goals for and against per game as well) once in the 5 seasons before this one and that was last season at Fortress WHL. If anything, it's our away record, relatively speaking, that's let us down so far this term (currently our second-worst points average over the same period). There's not a great deal in it, mind you. We've actually been remarkably consistent over the period in question. It's probably also worth remembering that, as well as we have done ourselves over the past few seasons, and as high as expectations have risen as a result, our final league position has arguably been boosted as much by one or more of the usual suspects having underperformed at the same time. That's looking a bit dicier this time out, but if we don't get top 4 again this season, it won't necessarily mean we've gone backwards.
 
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Wait until May. That is my advice. I am enjoying the Liverpool love-in as it ignores a massive flaw they have, which is a lack of deeper football intelligence. They nearly threw it away against a poor City side because they cannot slow a game down and squeeze the life from it when comfortably ahead. Like a certain side did when they were 4-1 up against a top 4 competitor. Pace and power is not necessarily enough. I look at our squad and I see more basic intelligence and game management. Compare Liverpool man for man with our side and there is not one I would swap. So hang steady mate...


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I watched that game and my first thought was what a lack of discipline from either side ...
 
I watched that game and my first thought was what a lack of discipline from either side ...

Absolutely. Except with Emirates Marketing Project I KNEW it was their worst game of the season, that for whatever reason they were not handling the ball with anything like their usual care and that Liverpool were playing at pretty much their maximum. Honestly, there is no reason whatsoever we should not win at Anfield. If we are smart, do what we do well and have our first 11 starting, we will win.
 
Absolutely. Except with Emirates Marketing Project I KNEW it was their worst game of the season, that for whatever reason they were not handling the ball with anything like their usual care and that Liverpool were playing at pretty much their maximum. Honestly, there is no reason whatsoever we should not win at Anfield. If we are smart, do what we do well and have our first 11 starting, we will win.
Seems to me games like this are often (though not always) decided by the difference in intensity and resolve displayed by the winning side from the outset. You can usually see it in the way the team that's more determined goes about harrying the opposition with such intensity they throw them off their stride. City and Arse both did it to us earlier in the season. Not saying we did not also show resolve, just that they definitely seemed to want it that much more.

So for me, if we are to stand a chance of getting all three points at Anfield that will be the key. We will need to outfight them from the off and then outplay them on top of that. Problem is for whatever reason it's something we invariably fail to do at their gig, whether it's nerves or what I don't know.

All I do know is that without that prior resolution to show totally superior intensity we are a beaten side even before we take to the pitch.
 
and as walker has famously revealed, the difference between playing for us and Emirates Marketing Project is the steel in the top six match ups that Emirates Marketing Project have - our lads have to show that character and resolve, the only BIG question mark I have about the lads

yes Emirates Marketing Project were 4-1 down, but they came back to 4-3 and if aguero wasn't offside with that bullet header, it went a foot to the left ? in these matches i'm not convinced we can do that, especially away. These are games we must go into to NOT lose, and grab every crumb of opportunity that falls our way

Having said that, we were 0-2 down at Emirates Marketing Project (last season ?) and came back to draw 2-2, so the capability is there; it's the chavs i really, really wanna beat, especially at their 'place'
 
Our record against the rest of the top six so far this season is hardly reassuring on that score. Have to say I remain doubtful we will beat Liverpool at Anfield and Chelsea at Stamford Bridge, two venues we very rarely if ever collect three points from.

I can see us beating United and Arsenal and losing at Liverpool and Chelsea like we nearly always do. Means we have to pretty much win every other game in the league which to be fair we are more than capable of doing.
 
Is the Wembley factor really hurting us? it might surprise a few to learn that we've only bettered our current home points-per-game average (similarly our goals for and against per game as well) once in the 5 seasons before this one and that was last season at Fortress WHL. If anything, it's our away record, relatively speaking, that's let us down so far this term (currently our second-worst points average over the same period). There's not a great deal in it, mind you. We've actually been remarkably consistent over the period in question. It's probably also worth remembering that, as well as we have done ourselves over the past few seasons, and as high as expectations have risen as a result, our final league position has arguably been boosted as much by one or more of the usual suspects having underperformed at the same time. That's looking a bit dicier this time out, but if we don't get top 4 again this season, it won't necessarily mean we've gone backwards.

Of course it is hurting us, home advantage is a very real thing in football and we are no longer playing at our home - even if we're over the worst of it now you only have to look at our early results/performances to see something wasn't right - no shame in accepting that.
 
I know people on here have some weird, kinky irrational hatred of Liverpool but are we really incapable of admitting they are a decent side and are a very serious threat to our top 4 hopes?
Exactly. They are better attacking side than us, and Van Dijk will provide a more solid base to their defence. If we finish ahead of them we would have done very well....
 
Of course it is hurting us, home advantage is a very real thing in football and we are no longer playing at our home - even if we're over the worst of it now you only have to look at our early results/performances to see something wasn't right - no shame in accepting that.
We've lost once at 'home' this season. We have drawn too many games we should win which isnt the first time this has been an issue. You can claim we aren't playing at home all you like, when you have 70,000 plus fans supporting you on a pitch thats a real advantage no matter where you are playing....
 
Exactly. They are better attacking side than us, and Van Dijk will provide a more solid base to their defence. If we finish ahead of them we would have done very well....
They’re 3 points ahead of us, I think it’s a bit OTT to be so adamant on how much better Utd, Pool and Chelsea are than us. I think we are ticking over quite nicely right now personally, the league was never on with City spending what they have. Let’s see where we are in a couple of months.
 
We've lost once at 'home' this season. We have drawn too many games we should win which isnt the first time this has been an issue. You can claim we aren't playing at home all you like, when you have 70,000 plus fans supporting you on a pitch thats a real advantage no matter where you are playing....

If you want to believe that playing away from home for a season has had no negative effect on our performances or results then that's entirely up to you but i would suggest it's a case of whatever the opposite of rose tinted glasses are to be frank
 
They’re 3 points ahead of us, I think it’s a bit OTT to be so adamant on how much better Utd, Pool and Chelsea are than us. I think we are ticking over quite nicely right now personally, the league was never on with City spending what they have. Let’s see where we are in a couple of months.
I was replying to Jurgen saying Liverpool are a decent side and a threat to us, and if we finish ahead of them we've done well. What part of any of that is incorrect?
 
If you want to believe that playing away from home for a season has had no negative effect on our performances or results then that's entirely up to you but i would suggest it's a case of whatever the opposite of rose tinted glasses are to be frank
You cant simply say we are playing away from home when you have 70,000 plus fans cheering you on, youre just looking for excuses. We've only lost one game at Wembley in the league this season, funny how our actual away record doesnt look anything like that....
 
You cant simply say we are playing away from home when you have 70,000 plus fans cheering you on, youre just looking for excuses. We've only lost one game at Wembley in the league this season, funny how our actual away record doesnt look anything like that....

Well yes you can because it's a fact :confused:

And applying context is not the same as looking for excuses - especially in this scenario where we are playing in a temporary home ffs which is a monumental shift in routine - you can't just ignore that.
 
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