Carroll was the only player today in a Tottenham shirt who seemed to realise that this was not a friendly and we should probably put in at least a modicum of effort. Probably our best player and even he was quite wasteful, but as pointed out by the OP, at least he wanted to move the ball with fewer than 5 touches, and at least he tried to create SOMETHING.
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Carroll to start over Parker at Swansea?
- Thread starter Gutter Boy
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He made 2 defensive tackles today and the rest of the game he was either missing, bombing forward when he should have stayed back and let better players get on with it or giving the ball away when a simple pass was on. He never plays a bleeding obvious pass, dithers and then makes the bleeding obvious pass when that player has been marked. Dembele seems to have caught the same pirouetting disease.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Or - our forwards didn't quite get on to his two fantastic threaded balls, whereas no one else attempted anything as daring as a defence splitting pass.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I agree, but the Swanse game will be a completely different scenario than what we just were up against.
What would those stats be if you have access to them?
If you don't mind, if you're talking about passes completed stats could include stats about passes in/into the final third and those passes that were not into the final third?
Southcote Spur
Jason Dozzell
Looking at things in the long run, I would give Carroll a start against Swansea, as I think we need a fully fit Parker for Everton and Emirates Marketing Project home games and Chel$ea away?
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Cheers.
Assuming that pass completion was what glenroyid was talking about this is a very good example of just how silly the pass completion stat is in isolation.
Looking at the map above, assuming that it's accurate (not all stats or maps like that are), he misplaced one pass outside the final third. One fudging pass. The rest of the passes he misplaced were into the final third, most of them into the box. Passes that will always be high risk and marginal. And those kinds of marginal passes are needed at least occasionally when you're chasing a game.
Yet people will look at, and argue based on, the pass completion stat alone as if it means something. Not saying that this is what you did glenroyid btw, if there was some other stat you were talking about please post that stat instead. This is more a general rant aimed at the general tendency to talk about pass completion in isolation.
I think the fact our team was playing with limited width against a 10 man defense wouldnt help either of them. He didnt really have to make tackles today as Fulham were quite defensive even at 0 0. Against Swansea, we'll need him more as they'll have a lot of the ball.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Great addition to the thread. A picture that says 1000 words
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Swansea have NOTHING to play for. Arsenal beat them, we have to do the same. I'd be tempted to bring Carroll on, but not start.
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
Exactly the problem with Parker is not that he a limited player, its that he's a limited player who thinks he's steven gerrard or someone
Ginola99
Steven Caulker
I think that is a huge shout. What makes you think that?
rosenthal
Sebastien Bassong
That's a ridiculous thing to say...