parklane1
Tony Galvin
IYO maybe, but most can see that its Peace is the one that comes out of it badly. Except maybe to the WBA fans ( and of course the few Levy dislikers).
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Berahino in January for £25m?
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IYO maybe, but most can see that its Peace is the one that comes out of it badly. Except maybe to the WBA fans ( and of course the few Levy dislikers).
parklane1
Tony Galvin
tickle my balls with a feather, its unfortunate that seeing as we all are supposed to be Spurs supporters there are a few ( and it is a few) who have to bitch and moan whatever Levy does or not do.
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indianspur
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there is always someone to blame....Arsanal fans blame Wenger for not buying and spending more despite all he has done for them. Utd fans are now after Ed Woodward who is in control of negotiations and transfers there, Ashley at Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Kenwright at Everton is under intense scrutiny now from Everton fans who have resorted to hiring planes with messages for him
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indianspur
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StephenH
David Ginola
The 'blame game' has sadly become a very British pastime.
StephenH
David Ginola
I agree
ah diddums
Play nicely girls
Can we move all this from now on to the Chairman thread?
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indianspur
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StephenH
David Ginola
when did you become a mod?
Just think we should not bring the 'Levy blame game' into every thread. We might want to go back to this in January
milo
Jack L. Jones
Because I think that WBA were trying to instigate an auction. If we submitted our final bid a week early, unless it was too good to turn down, I think that they would have gone public with it and tried to get another club to submit a higher offer or better terms.
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indianspur
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and??? we had nothing to lose, it would have been our max offer. If West Brom said no, so be it. If another club came in and gazumped us, so be it.
Anyway the way we did things ended up with us not getting the player
You see I'm not a levy basher, I actually thingk he is the best chairman in the league if you take out Chelsea and city. But I can also see where he has ducked up. And going into the season with one striker is a fudge up, prolonging that until Jan is a bigger duck up.
Ultimately him and peace were using their own versions of game theory to conduct a negotiation, and levy simply overestimated his own position and or underestimated peaces.
To put it simply (and repeat myself again) the 15m (max) peace loses in valuation for keeping Saido for another year, is far off set if the players contributions (however minimal) lead to them staying up and being part of the super tv money deal. The only way this would have made sense to wba to sell was if it was enough money and it was done early enough for them to strengthen other areas of their squad.
Leaving the last offer (and for arguements sake only acceptable offer) so late in the day, meant that getting other deals done would have been extremely difficult for very obvious reasons.
Turning levy down with the last bid also has another benefit for for peace. It shows other suiters of future WBA players/stars that he won't be squeezed to accept bids on the last day if it's to the detriment/of no benifit to his team. People will have this in mind when negociating with him, and will adjust there approach accordingly.
So although a levy fan in my opinion peace comes up on top with this one for the benefits both tangible and yet to come into fruition that I have outlined above.
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indianspur
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Just think we should not bring the 'Levy blame game' into every thread. We might want to go back to this in January
dont worry, we will go back to this in january, your thread is safe
milo
Jack L. Jones
and??? we had nothing to lose, it would have been our max offer. If West Brom said no, so be it. If another club came in and gazumped us, so be it.
Anyway the way we did things ended up with us not getting the player
Let's go back to eBay. What happens in an auction when you bid your maximum early?
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indianspur
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i have no idea, tell me what happens
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
The difference between this situation and bidding on ebay is that on ebay the highest bidder at the deadline will always win. The seller of the item on ebay can also go out immediately after selling their item and use that money to invest in something else, they don’t have to wait for 4 months to be able to make another investment.
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
You don't need to enforce a bring to a head meeting. Just on your (say) 4th offer for the player you make it clear that this is the final offer and no more will be made and then leave it on the table. If that offer was a decent offer then you can guarantee that Pullis would've put huge pressure on his chairman to take it so that he could get some of that money himself to strengthen other areas. WBA would then probably go to the market and see if there are any other buyers prepared to beat our offer and if not, I think Peace would've got back around the negotiating table with Levy and tried to squeeze out slightly better payment terms of something like that.
Additionally I disagree with your point about WBA not being given enough time to buy other players being flawed. If they had gone out and spent (say) £20 million on new players and then Levy hadn't upped his initial £12 million bid for the player, they are then in a situation where they are either forced to try to address some cash flow problems or forced to sell their player for under his worth. You also have to consider the Premier League FFP regulations and it is possible that WBA would not have had room on their wage bill to keep Berahino AND add a couple more players.
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Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
To answer this point - I would imagine it is because Levy thought that he was in a position to get Berahino for under his market rate due to the fact that the player was putting in transfer requests, WBAs manager was open to selling him and he knew that the player was going into the last 2 years of his contract. I guess we'll never know what would've happened if 2 weeks before we'd offered what we ended up offering with a couple of hours of the window to go, but my thoughts are that it would've ensured a deal was done.
Actually the seller on Ebay would already know how much money he was going to get at minimum, make his purchases and wait for the cash to come in at end.