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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 85 73.3%

  • Out

    Votes: 31 26.7%
  • Total voters
    116
DeanoAustin said:
We were 2 nil up and we just kept ploughing forward.

We left the space in front of the back 4 wide open. Frequently, they had acres of space in front of us and the defence was left exposed.

Watch the defending for the foul for the penalty on the fourth. Aside from Sarr taking leave of his senses, look how stretched we are when they break. That happened multiple times.

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The fourth goal - Porro is left to worry about 2-3 men at the back post. Again, a team has men over on us at the back post.

You cannot for a second tell me that we didn't make a lot of our own problems yesterday and that it wasn't just due to the stupidity of Sarr and Bissouma. If that's what Ange believes, he'll struggle to stay employed.
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Porro was the third goal
It was the lucky bounce form Palmers shot
Yes there should have been more cover but it was a he’ll of a lot lick that it reached their man perfect height

The photo above was the last penalty
That just needed son to do the basics at the the other end. He bottled that woefully
 
Mr Gogolak said:
On a more serious note, saying injuries are just 'bad luck' or will 'even out' over the course of a season is, in my opinion, a huge mistake. They don't and while there are many factors (number of games, intensity of play, players' specific injury records, preparation...), if we can't find a way to keep the number of injuries down, nobody will be able to get anything out of that squad.

City never recovered from losing Rodri. We're missing something like 8 or 9 players at the moment. The only thing I disagree on with most people is that it's not tough luck. Whoever decided to play Romero yesterday, for instance, made a mistake. I read that he 'trained well' so either the training is different from match intensity (which is likely) or they misread his training performances.

For me, whoever makes these mistakes has to go - whether it's Postecoglou or the coaches or a combination of both, I don't know but it's getting out of hand.
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100% agree on all of this. The injuries are the key to all of this IMO…
 
thfcsteff said:
On a point of language I think you're right and I should've articulated myself better.

He does indeed change things up, but within the principles of the style he believes in football-wise.

Your point of freedom is an interesting one. It is possible that we need a couple of smarter players in that regard? I think right now the details are costing us (injuries, mistakes, fatigue) and it is hard to wade through them all. We could do with a bit of good ol' fashioned luck TBH.

Just to clarify, when I say he won't change, I mean anyone who believes after 18 months he will go through a period of time setting us up 5-3-2 or 4-2-3-1 or 3-5-2, countering and what-not, is fooling themselves IMO.
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Yeah, I think his formation is going to stay as a 4-3-3 but I'm ever hopeful that he adapts around it. One game springs to mind and that was City in the cup. We played in a way that stopped Venom from having much to do when we had the goal lead. We nullified them and showed a lot of maturity. What we didn't do in that game was go all gung-ho and find ourselves all sprinting back, and being totally stretched. We mostly had our full-backs as full-backs and we had both Bents and Biss working in tandem in the second half. We actually looked like we could counter attack them as a deliberate strategy.

It's why I find Ange so confusing. I get the feeling he knows what he should be doing but either chooses not to or can't get it out of the players.
 
Muttley said:
Yeah, I think his formation is going to stay as a 4-3-3 but I'm ever hopeful that he adapts around it. One game springs to mind and that was City in the cup. We played in a way that stopped Venom from having much to do when we had the goal lead. We nullified them and showed a lot of maturity. What we didn't do in that game was go all gung-ho and find ourselves all sprinting back, and being totally stretched. We mostly had our full-backs as full-backs and we had both Bents and Biss working in tandem in the second half. We actually looked like we could counter attack them as a deliberate strategy.

It's why I find Ange so confusing. I get the feeling he knows what he should be doing but either chooses not to or can't get it out of the players.
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Or he doesn’t have the players

My mates said he should make a change yesterday forgetting he had to make 2 from injuries

And when I asked too I was met with a blank look

Let’s stiffen the midfield with a kid who hasn’t played there for us

Let’s bring on one of the 7 wingers we have have… can’t, none on the bench
 
Lilbaz said:
I'm hopng new owners. Then a whole new start with new manager and staff.
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Really? that would be 2+ years if the said new owners had a bottomless pit of money, and 3 months into it, would be this same fudging conversation

We are in a tough run, strongly influenced by multiple key players injured in a squad that is thin very specifically because we have been changing the entire team (refresh/rebuild everyone has been screaming for).

Basically half way through a tough season, we are 7 points short of top 4 and still in all the cups

The biggest issue with this club is it's fans .. amazing how obviously brick and out of his depth Nuno was eh? made fudging Europe with Wolves, looks like he'll do it again with Forest but our fudging fans turned on the guy within 5 games, because we all know better ..
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Or he doesn’t have the players

My mates said he should make a change yesterday forgetting he had to make 2 from injuries

And when I asked too I was met with a blank look

Let’s stiffen the midfield with a kid who hasn’t played there for us

Let’s bring on one of the 7 wingers we have have… can’t, none on the bench
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As you know, this is where I have no sympathy for Ange. It's that manager playbook thing again. All those chapters he's not using.

There's so many permutations and combinations of how to change a game with the bench we had. Ange has blocked so many of them with his closed mindedness.

That makes it down to him.
 
Gutter Boy said:
But they are muscular, not impact injuries. Which is the fault of conditioning, not chance.
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That's what we're saying. Again, playing Romero yesterday was a mistake, and a big one. I know hindsight is 20/20 but it's the staff's role to read into these situations and make the right decisions. If we had 9 players injured because they had been kicked up and down the pitch, that would be different but, in my opinion, this situation is the result of poor conditioning and the particular demands of Postecoglou's style.

Ignoring the injuries and saying they're 'part of the game' is, for me, a serious mistake and one that will end up costing us dearly.
 
Mikey10 said:
We really really didn’t. They controlled possession and were cutting through us at will once the first 20 minutes was over.
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Yet didn’t get any good shots off
When we did that our fans complained
And I mean actual shots
Not air shots
 
Bedfordspurs said:
No need
The Xg stats don’t that for you
That’s literally the purpose of them
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The eye test and scoreline tells us that we went 2-0 up and collapsed. we can't keep trying to use stats to massage the reality of yet another collapse.
In future, we will have be 4-0 up and half-time against a rival .like Chelsea to feel we have a good chance to get a point?

If we/Ange wants to improve and move forward there has to be better realistic reflection
 
glorygloryeze said:
If you say they didn't get any good shots off, is that because of what we did or because of them and any limitations they have/had?
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Don’t know why they didn’t get them considering how dominant they were
That’s why I say we kept them at arms lengths
I mean if we had a barely competent ref they would have had ten men and who knows what
And I’ll just make sure you understood what I thought I wrote… I said we made the better chances, not they didn’t have any good ones
I was surprised when I saw the stats as I was at the game and it felt like they were dominant
But in retrospect I’d say they played like we have in many games where hey had loads of ball but didn’t create many good chances
The issue was a penalty is a very very high quality free shot
They had 2
We missed a sitter (they didn’t have any one on ones) we also had Solanke a shot that hit the keeper and we hit the bar
Yes Fraser made saves. That’s his job of course as is ours to score and not give away silly penalties
And yep. The first two goals we scored were mistakes by their man… under pressure of course from our aggressive play
If I’m being brutally honest a team as fresh as theirs with such attacking quality should create more.
 
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