Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
The way they oaky with the ball is very good
Their defending not so good
They look like a team that has some quality and constantly fresh legs
I can’t tell so far how much is coaching but it’s great management
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Ange in or out?
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Their defending not so good
They look like a team that has some quality and constantly fresh legs
I can’t tell so far how much is coaching but it’s great management
Baleforce
Les Bennett
Some of us have been moaning about his style and philosophy for a very long time too.
They play two teams, one for EPL, one for cups, it gives them the ability to leverage their huge squad.
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
DeanoAustin
Rafael Van Der Vaart
That is a fair point and I don't think many expected us to win yesterday, I thought we'd be whacked. So I'm not overly disappointed that we lost to Chelsea even though I detest them. The worrying bit for me was how we managed the game. At 2-0, we just kept going when we should have consolidated the lead a bit and made life a bit difficult for them.
The problem with yesterday isn't the loss. It's that we are seeing the same mistakes being made in our approach, the same bad decisions being made by players, the same kamikaze approach to defending.
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
Whether you're right or not mate, the fact is Ange is not going to change.
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
Which means that unless we all of a sudden spend like Emirates Marketing Project (especially relative to our rivals) he will be working himself into the dole queue..
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
That is the question isn't it...
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
But I’ll say again..
What was wrong with the approach? They were kept at arm’s length generally
It was the penalty that gave them the extra lift
That’s not saying they were the better side with the ball
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
I think it's a reflection of where our ownership have brought us now, sadly. I admire and respect Ange the person, but he looks way out of his depth now and tbh we probably only ended up with him because our stock and the veneers we portrayed externally have finally been exposed...sad all round
23 players. With devine, phillips, han, vuskovic, dorrington, donley... on loan.
We can buy in jan aswell.
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
We kept them at arm's length, generally??
Are you forgetting the chances they missed and how pinned back we were before the first penalty and up to the Enzo goal??
Are you forgetting how many times we blocked them in the second half?
We talk about them getting 'extra lifts'...how much extra lifts do WE need?? we were 2-0 up after 11 minutes FFS and still can't win or even draw a game??
DeanoAustin
Rafael Van Der Vaart
We were 2 nil up and we just kept ploughing forward.
We left the space in front of the back 4 wide open. Frequently, they had acres of space in front of us and the defence was left exposed.
Watch the defending for the foul for the penalty on the fourth. Aside from Sarr taking leave of his senses, look how stretched we are when they break. That happened multiple times.
The fourth goal - Porro is left to worry about 2-3 men at the back post. Again, a team has men over on us at the back post.
You cannot for a second tell me that we didn't make a lot of our own problems yesterday and that it wasn't just due to the stupidity of Sarr and Bissouma. If that's what Ange believes, he'll struggle to stay employed.
SpurMeUp
Gary Stevens
Idk the insider info. But lets not let that stop us speculating
My guess is, rather than overspend for say Eze and maybe others, Ange preferred to keep our powder dry. Knowing that our spending is not infinite. Banging saying 60m and 200k a week on Eze when he's not quite at that level, maybe a smart move or a foolish one idk. Certainally atm with Bentancur out, having Eze might have been massive. Yet he's more similar to Maddison and Kulu. As things stand we are desperate for another midfielder and an out and out forward.
What positions do you think we need? And what positions do you think we were trying for in the summer?
SpurMeUp
Gary Stevens
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Ange pretty much threw Odobert straight in, despite having other options too iirc. Quite unlike what he's done with Gray, Bergvall, Moore.
I don't know if adding players in January means that the summer was a mistake. I think it was always going to be the case that we would need more business in the coming windows regardless of who we'd signed in the summer.
And has been said some of the summer business was probably also with HG/club trained issues in mind. That couldn't imo just be delayed and delayed. Better to get that done earlier than later.
Muttley
Richard Gough
I don't like this narrative at all. I'm not sure Ange would either.
Ange would see himself as adaptable. When he joined, he said that he expects replacements to do the role in their own way. He implied that there is not just one way to play in his system. An example is Ange not expecting Davies to play like VDV at LCB. Ben got to play it his own way.
Something is lost in translation. It could even be that Ange is too loose rather than too rigid in his system. Perhaps he is leaving his players too much freedom, and to many opportunities to use their brains. Perhaps they have too much freedom.
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
On a point of language I think you're right and I should've articulated myself better.
He does indeed change things up, but within the principles of the style he believes in football-wise.
Your point of freedom is an interesting one. It is possible that we need a couple of smarter players in that regard? I think right now the details are costing us (injuries, mistakes, fatigue) and it is hard to wade through them all. We could do with a bit of good ol' fashioned luck TBH.
Just to clarify, when I say he won't change, I mean anyone who believes after 18 months he will go through a period of time setting us up 5-3-2 or 4-2-3-1 or 3-5-2, countering and what-not, is fooling themselves IMO.
Idk the insider info. But lets not let that stop us speculating
My guess is, rather than overspend for say Eze and maybe others, Ange preferred to keep our powder dry. Knowing that our spending is not infinite. Banging saying 60m and 200k a week on Eze when he's not quite at that level, maybe a smart move or a foolish one idk. Certainally atm with Bentancur out, having Eze might have been massive. Yet he's more similar to Maddison and Kulu. As things stand we are desperate for another midfielder and an out and out forward.
What positions do you think we need? And what positions do you think we were trying for in the summer?
I think we wanted a winger. We ended up with Odobert over Neto.
We gambled on the striker back ups being Son, Richy and Lankshear. None have worked. We need to cut our losses on Richy and bring in someone who will bang the door down to get 25 games a season and be able to come on after 70 mins and do the dirty work to rest Solanke.
We need a leader in the middle. Taylor gave so many soft fouls to Chelsea yesterday and not one of our players made his life difficult.
Son is off it and too ‘nice’, Maddison isn’t being selected, and Cuti isn’t really a communicator. We need to identify a vocal leader who will be ripping shreds off people if they aren’t tracking or not putting a shift in. Even someone with a slightly lower skill set but that will elevate others would be good. I wonder if we missed out on someone like Mctominay - I know many will scoff at that - but fun fact - he would probably scoff at joining us. He’s done great since getting out of Man U.
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
Why didn’t they get better chances then?