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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 86 69.4%

  • Out

    Votes: 38 30.6%
  • Total voters
    124
harr1984 said:
Happy to accept that part of the reason for so many injuries could be on Ange and his demands but the every team has injuries thing is gonads, we aren't just talking about an injury here and there - do you want to show me another team that has their first choice goalkeeper, and both first choice centre backs out at the same time along with other first teamers out and backups getting suspended/injured too?

It's all well and good saying Ange should just manage a season but when there's that many absences along with having to try and remain competitive it's really not as simple as some of you lot like to make out with a squad that really isn't as good as some like to believe....
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By managing a season and managing a game i mean taking your foot off the accelerator in games and in training to get players through the season. My point is precisely that it's pretty much unheard of for a club to have our level of injuries. But we had this last season too where we hit a brick wall of fitness just after that Chelsea game where pretty much half the team was missing for much of the rest of the season and our form went down the toilet as a result.

So it doesn't appear to be a coincidence.
 
spurspinter1 said:
Tbf it's a genuinely intriguing stat. You can make it look like we have a really mean defence but if you lose as many games as we do by 1 goal it doesn't hide that something is going severely wrong.

Can we expect better having lost players in key positions, it's probably a debate for another thread.
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My take on the root cause of the stat is that Ange isn't very good at managing game situations....when everything clicks on our side we are very hard to play against and if the other team have a bit of an off day we can smash several goals in quite easily and our defensive weaknesses aren't really an issue. Where games are tight and our forwards aren't 100% clinical we are 90% the team that caves first as we are not set up to grind out results in an even contest. We don't look well drilled at defensive or offensive set pieces, structural shape or deep pressing. Players too often seem ro be doing what they think is best individially in those situations which can manifest itself in those stupid lunges and mistakes we so often make in key moments that decide tight games. At our worse, if we are slightly off it and come up against a good team in form like Liverpool we can look shockingly naive. Although to be fair that isn't often the case - it's those tight Premier League battles of tension where we consistently fall down. And it's why the "spurs are clowns defensively" is a bit overblown the reality is we will very often make the critical mistake in a tight contest that ends up deciding it - and that explains why we lose a lot of tight games and then win a lot of games by large margins.

Thing about this whole "stick to the plan" "stick to your principles" stuff is there's an old military saying that a plan never survives first contact with the enemy. Think it was Mohammed Ali that said in the sporting context: "try sticking to a plan when you're being punched in the face". We clearly do not work much on dealing with situations where things aren't quite clicking and the other team are on one form wise....
 
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Kompakted said:
They've registered more than 25 players in their squad? The cheaters...
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Arsenal have 20 outfield players who are aged 21 or over (I.e. actual men) in their squad.

Chelsea have 23
Liverpool have 22
Aston Villa have 20
Man Utd have 19
Emirates Marketing Project have 19
Spurs have 18.

We went in very light (too light) for two games a week. That problem then amplified by injuries, reducing options further.
 
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Finney Is Back said:
Arsenal have 20 outfield players who are aged 21 or over (I.e. actual men) in their squad.

Chelsea have 23
Liverpool have 22
Aston Villa have 20
Man Utd have 19
Emirates Marketing Project have 19
Spurs have 18.

We went in very light (too light) for two games a week. That problem then amplified by injuries, reducing options further.
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They've better managed their home grown, club trained and locally trained quotas over the years. We have to register players like Whiteman, Austin, Gray, Lankshear etc in the Europa squad and even if we had went out and bought a couple of more "men" in the summer, they'd quite possibly not been able up be registered in the Europa League squad as a result of this issue.

When "just shut up and back the manager Levy" comes back to bite hard when we've had several seasons of short term managers in Mourinho and Conte that don't care about the club's future and don't want to work with kids.
 
I guess it's hard to think back to how you would feel if you were the 21 year old and you were put in the same bucket as an 18 year old. After all you've been on this planet 17% longer than your mate who is 18. You are way more mature and ready to be treated like the 25 year old.

I think Spurs unique challenge over those other clubs is that we need the purchases in around their 18th b'day so they can become homegrown or club trained. That brings in the challenge that players need to be registered for 2 years with the club before they can be UEFA B-listers before they eventually become 21 and club trained.

So next season our squad becomes one bigger just because of Ashley Phillips. He's completed 2 years at the club and he's spent his time away on loan. He'll finally qualify as a free pick. So will Alfie Devine who has had decent loans and played well. It could be naturally 2 bigger. Conversely, we'll be back in the same boat with Vusokovic and Yang who start their 2 years. If we get UEFA football then these 2 will have to be on the same list as VDV or Kulu.

Any way I look at this equation, I believe the squad will feel full to the rafters next season.
 
The unthinkable, well think it could happen if we keep Ange till February.

New guy or woman needs as much time as possible. Think we are a top 7 side myself but the stupidity of sticking with a manager fir the sake of it could leave us with massive egg on our faces.
 
Did anyone actually see that we would see this game through? But we got a point … jeez what have we become under him? He is not all that and not worth hanging your hat on him to turn it around. I don’t care if we have to restart … he can’t carry one
 
Gazza said:
Did anyone actually see that we would see this game through? But we got a point … jeez what have we become under him? He is not all that and not worth hanging your hat on him to turn it around. I don’t care if we have to restart … he can’t carry one
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I expected us to see the game out and score but men the performance after the changes especially Maddison and Werner. We really need better players.
 
Firmly out from me too. Today was just a mess, some glimpses of playing well but the rest was back to how we have played majority of the season. with Danish on this one, the longer we keep him the closer to the bottom we will be.
 
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