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Andre Villas-Boas - Head Coach
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Armchair Expert
Vedran Corluka
Re: AVB - Making Tottenham His Own
Part of me thinks if Bale went it wouldn't be soooo dramatic. You don't want to sell your best players, but the media doom merchants neglect to mention that we would then have about 60-80 million to re-invest. AVB could then really shape the squad in his own image.
I'm not suggesting we should start hawking Bale around, but just that it would really give us AVB the chance to mould a squad and have a philosophy running throughout the whole club. He's having to make do with a patchwork squad at the moment.
Part of me thinks if Bale went it wouldn't be soooo dramatic. You don't want to sell your best players, but the media doom merchants neglect to mention that we would then have about 60-80 million to re-invest. AVB could then really shape the squad in his own image.
I'm not suggesting we should start hawking Bale around, but just that it would really give us AVB the chance to mould a squad and have a philosophy running throughout the whole club. He's having to make do with a patchwork squad at the moment.
Mumorn
Vic Buckingham
Re: AVB - Making Tottenham His Own
I'm with Armchair.
There was a team before Bale and there will be a team after him. I think we'd all just miss him as opposed to think we'll be doomed when he leaves, because we won't be. We'd just miss his marauding runs, powerful bursts, excellent match winning goals, exquisitely accurate crossing etc.
I'm with Armchair.
There was a team before Bale and there will be a team after him. I think we'd all just miss him as opposed to think we'll be doomed when he leaves, because we won't be. We'd just miss his marauding runs, powerful bursts, excellent match winning goals, exquisitely accurate crossing etc.
Re: AVB - Making Tottenham His Own
Just stating 'back the manager' is a far to simplistic way to look at it. We have been and will continue to work within a budget. Players might have to leave first to make room for wages and we don't have a chest filled with sugar daddy money to pay for transfer fees. I expect us to continue in the exact same way as we have the last couple of seasons.
What I'm hoping is that AVB knows exactly what kind of players are needed. Last summer was somewhat a scattergun approach as we needed a lot of new blood. Hopefully we've moved on to where only minor adjustments are needed.
In priority:
Striker suitable for the lone role
CM, also known as the Moutinho
Forward, someone who can play anywhere across a front 3. Like a Dempsey with pace. Will possibly replace Defoe.
Left back if we decide that BAE should be moved on and Rose isn't up to it.
CM #2 if we sell Hudd and/or Parker
Just stating 'back the manager' is a far to simplistic way to look at it. We have been and will continue to work within a budget. Players might have to leave first to make room for wages and we don't have a chest filled with sugar daddy money to pay for transfer fees. I expect us to continue in the exact same way as we have the last couple of seasons.
What I'm hoping is that AVB knows exactly what kind of players are needed. Last summer was somewhat a scattergun approach as we needed a lot of new blood. Hopefully we've moved on to where only minor adjustments are needed.
In priority:
Striker suitable for the lone role
CM, also known as the Moutinho
Forward, someone who can play anywhere across a front 3. Like a Dempsey with pace. Will possibly replace Defoe.
Left back if we decide that BAE should be moved on and Rose isn't up to it.
CM #2 if we sell Hudd and/or Parker
Re: AVB - Making Tottenham His Own
would rather keep Bale and add to the team with him in it with less money than sell him and invest in the team with more money
Edit: clearly quoted the wrong Mumorn post there
would rather keep Bale and add to the team with him in it with less money than sell him and invest in the team with more money
Edit: clearly quoted the wrong Mumorn post there
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El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Re: AVB - Making Tottenham His Own
This. Every team wanting a shot at the top needs a World Class player who can make the difference, Bale is our's.
This. Every team wanting a shot at the top needs a World Class player who can make the difference, Bale is our's.
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
Re: AVB - Making Tottenham His Own
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2013/apr/21/tottenham-villas-boas-manchester-city
Tottenham rewarded after André Villas-Boas shows his flexible thinking
by Michael Cox
This is precisely the sort of display we expected when André Villas-Boas arrived in England nearly two years ago – Tottenham won this game thanks to pace, width and clinical finishing, following an intelligent tactical switch from their manager.
In a first half that Emirates Marketing Project dominated, the two teams were arranged in a similar fashion – Scott Parker sat deep and allowed Mousa Dembélé to storm forward, while Gareth Barry did the same for Yaya Touré. Both sets of wide players came inside quickly, while Edin Dzeko and Emmanuel Adebayor were largely isolated up front.
The major difference was the player "in the hole" on either side. Spurs used the fit-again Gareth Bale, who received the ball in dangerous positions in the opening moments, but gradually found his space restricted as City remained compact. With Clint Dempsey and, in particular, Gylfi Sigurdsson moving inside, City defended narrow and Bale was crowded out.
At the other end, Carlos Tevez showed greater positional intelligence throughout the first half, positioning himself between the lines, and constantly drifting to the flanks to overload Tottenham in wide areas. His pass to James Milner in the build-up to Samir Nasri's opener was sublime, and the Argentine also created chances for Nasri and Dzeko with clever touches after finding himself unmarked.
Villas-Boas made a subtle change at half-time: Bale swapping with Dempsey and moving to the right flank. This unwittingly played into City's hands, however – Roberto Mancini had been forced to replace the injured Milner with Aleksandar Kolarov, who went to the left flank. In tandem with Gaël Clichy, City shut down Bale's space easily.
After an hour, Villas-Boas changed things more dramatically, moving from a 4-2-3-1 to a 4-3-3. Tom Huddlestone replaced Parker and sat solidly in the holding role, tracking Tevez across the pitch, and spraying some excellent forward passes into attack. Meanwhile, Lewis Holtby replaced Sigurdsson, and alongside Dembélé helped overpower Barry and Touré with sheer energy.
Once Jermain Defoe had replaced the ineffectual Adebayor 10 minutes later, Spurs were playing in a completely different fashion. Their first half attacks were slow and involved various players crowding the centre – now, with Bale higher up the pitch and looking for balls in behind, an approach Defoe instinctively replicated, they could attack directly at speed. Forward passes were combined with clever runs, and Spurs were superb for the final 20 minutes and Mancini failed to respond tactically.
With Spurs in a powerful 4-3-3 and Bale out on the right, cutting inside on to his left foot in the manner of Brazilian forward Hulk, Spurs were reminiscent of Villas-Boas's Porto side that won the Portuguese league unbeaten and the Europa League in 2010-11.
The impression that Tottenham have rediscovered their 'vertical' style of play, the fact that Villas-Boas himself was a crucial part of the victory, and the small matter of three points against a quality side at such a crucial stage of the season, means this win might one day be considered pivotal in Spurs' evolution under their Portuguese tactician.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2013/apr/21/tottenham-villas-boas-manchester-city
Tottenham rewarded after André Villas-Boas shows his flexible thinking
by Michael Cox
This is precisely the sort of display we expected when André Villas-Boas arrived in England nearly two years ago – Tottenham won this game thanks to pace, width and clinical finishing, following an intelligent tactical switch from their manager.
In a first half that Emirates Marketing Project dominated, the two teams were arranged in a similar fashion – Scott Parker sat deep and allowed Mousa Dembélé to storm forward, while Gareth Barry did the same for Yaya Touré. Both sets of wide players came inside quickly, while Edin Dzeko and Emmanuel Adebayor were largely isolated up front.
The major difference was the player "in the hole" on either side. Spurs used the fit-again Gareth Bale, who received the ball in dangerous positions in the opening moments, but gradually found his space restricted as City remained compact. With Clint Dempsey and, in particular, Gylfi Sigurdsson moving inside, City defended narrow and Bale was crowded out.
At the other end, Carlos Tevez showed greater positional intelligence throughout the first half, positioning himself between the lines, and constantly drifting to the flanks to overload Tottenham in wide areas. His pass to James Milner in the build-up to Samir Nasri's opener was sublime, and the Argentine also created chances for Nasri and Dzeko with clever touches after finding himself unmarked.
Villas-Boas made a subtle change at half-time: Bale swapping with Dempsey and moving to the right flank. This unwittingly played into City's hands, however – Roberto Mancini had been forced to replace the injured Milner with Aleksandar Kolarov, who went to the left flank. In tandem with Gaël Clichy, City shut down Bale's space easily.
After an hour, Villas-Boas changed things more dramatically, moving from a 4-2-3-1 to a 4-3-3. Tom Huddlestone replaced Parker and sat solidly in the holding role, tracking Tevez across the pitch, and spraying some excellent forward passes into attack. Meanwhile, Lewis Holtby replaced Sigurdsson, and alongside Dembélé helped overpower Barry and Touré with sheer energy.
Once Jermain Defoe had replaced the ineffectual Adebayor 10 minutes later, Spurs were playing in a completely different fashion. Their first half attacks were slow and involved various players crowding the centre – now, with Bale higher up the pitch and looking for balls in behind, an approach Defoe instinctively replicated, they could attack directly at speed. Forward passes were combined with clever runs, and Spurs were superb for the final 20 minutes and Mancini failed to respond tactically.
With Spurs in a powerful 4-3-3 and Bale out on the right, cutting inside on to his left foot in the manner of Brazilian forward Hulk, Spurs were reminiscent of Villas-Boas's Porto side that won the Portuguese league unbeaten and the Europa League in 2010-11.
The impression that Tottenham have rediscovered their 'vertical' style of play, the fact that Villas-Boas himself was a crucial part of the victory, and the small matter of three points against a quality side at such a crucial stage of the season, means this win might one day be considered pivotal in Spurs' evolution under their Portuguese tactician.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Re: AVB - Making Tottenham His Own
I really hope we start that same central trio in a 4-3-3 in our next game.
I really hope we start that same central trio in a 4-3-3 in our next game.
Re: AVB - Making Tottenham His Own
No, definitely disagree! There's plenty of reasons not to sell him, even if it were for a fortune:
- its unlikely that Levy would allow AVB to spend all the money
- selling clubs would want more for their players given we were suddenly cash rich
- we wouldnt be able to attract any genuinely ready-made world class players to replace him given that other, richer clubs would also be after them. Therefore we're downgrading on quality, akin to selling Modric and signing Dembele - Dembele is good but not in Modric's class
- even if we had the cash for big fees, I find it hard to believe that Levy would break his discipline re wages as suddenly others would want pay rises and til we have the new stadium we wont have the monthly recurring income to pay those wages
- selling Bale after selling Modric last year, sends out a messages that we're a selling club and not only encourages other club to tap up our top players in future (say Barca coming in for Lloris, one of the Italians in for Sandro etc) but also tells players that we dont have the ambition to establish ourselves in the top few
Besides, I think that if we sell Ade, perhaps Thudd, release Gallas then we're bringing in a few quid (perhaps £10m - £15m) and saving a pile on wages (£10m+ per year). We dont need to spend £80m in the summer, just need to spend money intelligently and we dont need too many players. Mainly a decent CF, ideally another forward and a CM - with a top class scouting network you could get those for £30m
No, definitely disagree! There's plenty of reasons not to sell him, even if it were for a fortune:
- its unlikely that Levy would allow AVB to spend all the money
- selling clubs would want more for their players given we were suddenly cash rich
- we wouldnt be able to attract any genuinely ready-made world class players to replace him given that other, richer clubs would also be after them. Therefore we're downgrading on quality, akin to selling Modric and signing Dembele - Dembele is good but not in Modric's class
- even if we had the cash for big fees, I find it hard to believe that Levy would break his discipline re wages as suddenly others would want pay rises and til we have the new stadium we wont have the monthly recurring income to pay those wages
- selling Bale after selling Modric last year, sends out a messages that we're a selling club and not only encourages other club to tap up our top players in future (say Barca coming in for Lloris, one of the Italians in for Sandro etc) but also tells players that we dont have the ambition to establish ourselves in the top few
Besides, I think that if we sell Ade, perhaps Thudd, release Gallas then we're bringing in a few quid (perhaps £10m - £15m) and saving a pile on wages (£10m+ per year). We dont need to spend £80m in the summer, just need to spend money intelligently and we dont need too many players. Mainly a decent CF, ideally another forward and a CM - with a top class scouting network you could get those for £30m
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
Re: AVB - Making Tottenham His Own
- We spent all of the Modric/VDV money, so precedent says he would have access to the money
- selling clubs would put prices up
- We Sold Modric for 30m ish and Dembele cost 15m. It wasn't a straight swap. It would be akin to selling Modric and buying Dembele, Vertonghen and Dempsey.
- Wages might come into it, but may not be as big an issue if Gomes/Bentley/Gallas are finally off.
- I agree with the last one. Arsenal sell their big players every year and are accused of having little ambition.
Also agree that we don't need to spend 80m in the summer. Promote a couple of youngsters (rose + townsend) and buy for key areas.
- We spent all of the Modric/VDV money, so precedent says he would have access to the money
- selling clubs would put prices up
- We Sold Modric for 30m ish and Dembele cost 15m. It wasn't a straight swap. It would be akin to selling Modric and buying Dembele, Vertonghen and Dempsey.
- Wages might come into it, but may not be as big an issue if Gomes/Bentley/Gallas are finally off.
- I agree with the last one. Arsenal sell their big players every year and are accused of having little ambition.
Also agree that we don't need to spend 80m in the summer. Promote a couple of youngsters (rose + townsend) and buy for key areas.
ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
Re: AVB - Making Tottenham His Own
Not worth looking at, not worth listening to, not worth tinkling on.
Not worth looking at, not worth listening to, not worth tinkling on.
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
Re: AVB - Making Tottenham His Own
It is way too soon I think to be judging AVB this is for definite. I don't understand the mentality of people who judge a coach after a single season, for both good and bad. Maybe people just have very short memories of how previous coaches have often started well for a few months, even a couple of years, before fading away when they have signed their own players and lost players they initially inherited.
Yesterday I thought his subs were brilliant, but his starting line up was terrible with little balance. I was there yesterday and we looked a mess. The strange thing is I didn't think we played that well in the second half but in that 10 minute spell we destroyed them and they lost all heart.
Putting Defoe on up front meant we started trying to play behind them and not in front of them, and that for me was the major difference. We conceded possession by doing that but looked far better going forward. I don't know whether AVB spotted that, or whether Defoe's natural game made that happen. What I do think is that we should play the same tactic against a Wigan side desperate for three points. For teams sitting deep against us it may not be the best way to go.
I'm very happy with AVB this season. He is going to get top five for sure, and that was my expectations at the beginning of the season. The football could be better at times, but I do understand that AVB is more a pragmatic coach than one who wants to play entertaining football. I guess he learned that from Mourinho.
As always it will be AVB's dealings in the transfer market that will make or break him, and that is why a coach can't really be judged on a couple of seasons.
It is way too soon I think to be judging AVB this is for definite. I don't understand the mentality of people who judge a coach after a single season, for both good and bad. Maybe people just have very short memories of how previous coaches have often started well for a few months, even a couple of years, before fading away when they have signed their own players and lost players they initially inherited.
Yesterday I thought his subs were brilliant, but his starting line up was terrible with little balance. I was there yesterday and we looked a mess. The strange thing is I didn't think we played that well in the second half but in that 10 minute spell we destroyed them and they lost all heart.
Putting Defoe on up front meant we started trying to play behind them and not in front of them, and that for me was the major difference. We conceded possession by doing that but looked far better going forward. I don't know whether AVB spotted that, or whether Defoe's natural game made that happen. What I do think is that we should play the same tactic against a Wigan side desperate for three points. For teams sitting deep against us it may not be the best way to go.
I'm very happy with AVB this season. He is going to get top five for sure, and that was my expectations at the beginning of the season. The football could be better at times, but I do understand that AVB is more a pragmatic coach than one who wants to play entertaining football. I guess he learned that from Mourinho.
As always it will be AVB's dealings in the transfer market that will make or break him, and that is why a coach can't really be judged on a couple of seasons.
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
Re: AVB - Making Tottenham His Own
How old are you? You must have a short memory if you believe that, and it's very disrespectful to many good coaches we have had who started well also. To say that AVB has given us a mentality after less than a season in charge is optimistic to the extreme.
Why are people so extreme in their views? I don't get it. Win five in a row and we are the best team in the world and we've finally overcome the losing mentality we've had for the last few decades even though we have actually placed well in the Premiership for a good few seasons now. Do people simply not appreciate this? We lose five in a row and it is a disaster and the old Spurs are back which is another ridiculous extreme viewpoint.
People need to get a perspective and a grip I think. If we finish top four this season it doesn't mean AVB is a messiah, but if we finish out of the top four it doesn't mean he is a very naughty boy! It's one season, with a largely inherited team and an amazing Gareth Bale. Let us enjoy that, and not set unrealistic expectations for a coach who needs at least three seasons in charge before he can be judged for good or bad.
How old are you? You must have a short memory if you believe that, and it's very disrespectful to many good coaches we have had who started well also. To say that AVB has given us a mentality after less than a season in charge is optimistic to the extreme.
Why are people so extreme in their views? I don't get it. Win five in a row and we are the best team in the world and we've finally overcome the losing mentality we've had for the last few decades even though we have actually placed well in the Premiership for a good few seasons now. Do people simply not appreciate this? We lose five in a row and it is a disaster and the old Spurs are back which is another ridiculous extreme viewpoint.
People need to get a perspective and a grip I think. If we finish top four this season it doesn't mean AVB is a messiah, but if we finish out of the top four it doesn't mean he is a very naughty boy! It's one season, with a largely inherited team and an amazing Gareth Bale. Let us enjoy that, and not set unrealistic expectations for a coach who needs at least three seasons in charge before he can be judged for good or bad.
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
Re: AVB - Making Tottenham His Own
I would point out it was more the introduction of Huddlestone that led us to try and play behind them. Neither Dembele or Parker were looking for balls through or over the top. Huddlestone gave one to Bale pretty much instantly, which he was flagged offside for.
Other then that i agree with you.
I would point out it was more the introduction of Huddlestone that led us to try and play behind them. Neither Dembele or Parker were looking for balls through or over the top. Huddlestone gave one to Bale pretty much instantly, which he was flagged offside for.
Other then that i agree with you.
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
Re: AVB - Making Tottenham His Own
But it was only successful once Defoe came on. The Holtby and Huddlestone subs made little impact until Defoe came on, and we actually stopped having so much possession after their substitutions. Defoe came on and space started to open up. I would like to know if it was tactical or not, because it was certainly inspired!
But it was only successful once Defoe came on. The Holtby and Huddlestone subs made little impact until Defoe came on, and we actually stopped having so much possession after their substitutions. Defoe came on and space started to open up. I would like to know if it was tactical or not, because it was certainly inspired!
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
Re: AVB - Making Tottenham His Own
The Holtby and Hudd subs made us look far better, we were crap in the second half up until then, we started to retain possession tick over and create more.
Ade for Defoe is a striker for a striker. Not a particularly inspired change in any way. If one striker is not getting chances, you change him for another. The change to 4-3-3 was the inspired one.
The Holtby and Hudd subs made us look far better, we were crap in the second half up until then, we started to retain possession tick over and create more.
Ade for Defoe is a striker for a striker. Not a particularly inspired change in any way. If one striker is not getting chances, you change him for another. The change to 4-3-3 was the inspired one.
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
Re: AVB - Making Tottenham His Own
They are different types of striker though. You don't want to give Defoe any credit do you? Not a fan then? :lol:
They are different types of striker though. You don't want to give Defoe any credit do you? Not a fan then? :lol:
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in 62,63,64 we lost a lot of games under Sir Bill that we should have not, the biggest factor was that we had an ageing team, trust me it was just as frustrating being a Spurs fan in the sixties as it is now.
in 62,63,64 we lost a lot of games under Sir Bill that we should have not, the biggest factor was that we had an ageing team, trust me it was just as frustrating being a Spurs fan in the sixties as it is now.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
Re: AVB - Making Tottenham His Own
This is true and I'm wondering if to some extent this lack of progressive forward passing actively discourages the forward players from making runs in behind or into the channel, as they know no pass will be forthcoming. As soon as Hudd came on the movement was far better, or appeared to be. The anticipation of a pass meant that the players were more likely to gamble with these off the ball runs.
Hudd's pass to Bale for the goal was a beauty, with his left foot as well.
This is true and I'm wondering if to some extent this lack of progressive forward passing actively discourages the forward players from making runs in behind or into the channel, as they know no pass will be forthcoming. As soon as Hudd came on the movement was far better, or appeared to be. The anticipation of a pass meant that the players were more likely to gamble with these off the ball runs.
Hudd's pass to Bale for the goal was a beauty, with his left foot as well.