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Baleforce said:
Well exactly.

But nobody is going to attack a domestic energy provision site are they.
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Enrichment is needed for domestic energy, although the reported levels of enrichment are beyond that but not at nuclear weapon grade yet either.
And you really believe Israel won't attack a target whether it's legitimate or not? They don't seem too concerned about what's hit in Gaza.
 
DubSpur said:
Enrichment is needed for domestic energy, although the reported levels of enrichment are beyond that but not at nuclear weapon grade yet either.
And you really believe Israel won't attack a target whether it's legitimate or not? They don't seem too concerned about what's hit in Gaza.
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You don’t enrich domestic half a mile underground protected by your army.

I think Israel, with their back so tight against the wall, will defend themselves vigorously.

It is existential for Israel.
 
markysimmo said:
The way I see it is that there is no evidence Iran is building a nuclear weapon....yet. However there is plenty of evidence they are stockpiling enriched uranium. They have not given any convincing reason why they need material at this grade. There is no commercial reason and if you were under previous suspicion of building a bomb and wanted to reassure the international community why would you do this?
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Where has the information you have read come from, and do you remember Iraq, and the consequences of that illegal invasion?
 
Baleforce said:
You don’t enrich domestic half a mile underground protected by your army.

I think Israel, with their back so tight against the wall, will defend themselves vigorously.

It is existential for Israel.
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They launched the attack. They didn't need to go to war with Iran. They didn't need to bomb over 400 hospitals in Gaza killing mostly women and children.

And they have been battering Palestine for long before Oct 7th.

They have got their back against the wall because they are a genocidal ethno state intent on destruction.
 
LutonSpurs said:
They launched the attack. They didn't need to go to war with Iran. They didn't need to bomb over 400 hospitals in Gaza killing mostly women and children.

And they have been battering Palestine for long before Oct 7th.

They have got their back against the wall because they are a genocidal ethno state intent on destruction.
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If Iran get a nuke, thats the end of Israel.

The situation in Gaza is awful, and incredibly complex, how would we deal with a terrorist state on our border?

They have their backs against the wall because the Jewish people have been persecuted for millennia.

I'm not excusing their actions, some of which are abhorrent, but I do understand their fear.
 
Baleforce said:
If Iran get a nuke, thats the end of Israel.

The situation in Gaza is awful, and incredibly complex, how would we deal with a terrorist state on our border?

They have their backs against the wall because the Jewish people have been persecuted for millennia.

I'm not excusing their actions, some of which are abhorrent, but I do understand their fear.
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Israel is a terror state. They are an apartheid state. They have committed war crimes. Genocide. Ethnic cleansing. Israel has been doing this since before Hamas existed.

Palestine do not have a state. They do not have an army. They have no baby formula. And the Israelis are worried people think they clams?

And Iran once said 20 years ago they would destroy Israel.

Israeli ministers have arrest warrants for war crimes. See the language they use. It's worse than Iran's language

So make it make sense.
 
LutonSpurs said:
Israel is a terror state. They are an apartheid state. They have committed war crimes. Genocide. Ethnic cleansing. Israel has been doing this since before Hamas existed.

Palestine do not have a state. They do not have an army. They have no baby formula. And the Israelis are worried people think they clams?

And Iran once said 20 years ago they would destroy Israel.

Israeli ministers have arrest warrants for war crimes. See the language they use. It's worse than Iran's language

So make it make sense.
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It doesn’t make sense.

To many hate fuelled fairy stories involved.

Palestine have two states, in one of them they voted hamas in as government, and as an army.
 
LutonSpurs said:
You either believe in the rule of law or you don't.
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And the Iranian regime certainly don’t. So how do you deal with them?

LutonSpurs said:
Israel is a terror state. They are an apartheid state.

And Iran once said 20 years ago they would destroy Israel.
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Iran - under the current regime - is absolutely a terror state. The fundamentalist leaders there disagree with the liberal, western way of life, and have frequently voiced their desire to see it destroyed.

They’ve also done more than say they would destroy Israel 20 years ago. They have, for decades, funded terrorist groups which have carried out daily attacks on that country - and intelligence suggests they were intrinsically linked to the 7th October attacks.

Have Israel behaved terribly in Palestine? Yes.

Is it possible to understand (but not excuse) their actions, given the context of the 7th October attacks; the relatively recent history of Jewish people having been subjected to mass slaughter; and the geo-political situation in which they have to exist as a state? Also yes.
 
Baleforce said:
It doesn’t make sense.

To many hate fuelled fairy stories involved.

Palestine have two states, in one of them they voted hamas in as government, and as an army.
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Palestine do not have a recognised state. They do not control their own borders. They voted in Hamas years ago and most of those people are dead. The population is largely young people.

And none of the above means their lives have less value than Israeli lives.

Mikey10 said:
And the Iranian regime certainly don’t. So how do you deal with them?



Iran - under the current regime - is absolutely a terror state. The fundamentalist leaders there disagree with the liberal, western way of life, and have frequently voiced their desire to see it destroyed.

They’ve also done more than say they would destroy Israel 20 years ago. They have, for decades, funded terrorist groups which have carried out daily attacks on that country - and intelligence suggests they were intrinsically linked to the 7th October attacks.

Have Israel behaved terribly in Palestine? Yes.

Is it possible to understand (but not excuse) their actions, given the context of the 7th October attacks; the relatively recent history of Jewish people having been subjected to mass slaughter; and the geo-political situation in which they have to exist as a state? Also yes.
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Iran? They weren't bombing any one. Maybe don't bomb them. I despise the regime. But the crazy justification for this war is beyond me


In terms of understanding why Israel committed a genocide after 7/7 is very similar to Al Qaeda and ISIS mindset in my view. It's evil to massacre 50000 civilians. What part of that do we need to understand because of 7/7?
 
LutonSpurs said:
Palestine do not have a recognised state. They do not control their own borders. They voted in Hamas years ago and most of those people are dead. The population is largely young people.

And none of the above means their lives have less value than Israeli lives.



Iran? They weren't bombing any one. Maybe don't bomb them. I despise the regime. But the crazy justification for this war is beyond me


In terms of understanding why Israel committed a genocide after 7/7 is very similar to Al Qaeda and ISIS mindset in my view. It's evil to massacre 50000 civilians. What part of that do we need to understand because of 7/7?
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I didn't say they did.
 
Baleforce said:
I didn't say they did.
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So what part of shooting medics dead or bombing 400 hospitals or ridding Hind Rajabs body with bullets do we need to understand?

And Israel have lied about everything till video evidence has got them.

If we are rightly outraged and could never understand Oct 7th then it has to be the same the other way around. That's how we value their lives equally.

And to add, collective punishment is a war crime and pure ISIS mindset. Which is what Israel have enacted.

They are ISIS in the form of military power house with the backing of the USA army and dollar.
 
LutonSpurs said:
So what part of shooting medics dead or bombing 400 hospitals or ridding Hind Rajabs body with bullets do we need to understand?

And Israel have lied about everything till video evidence has got them.

If we are rightly outraged and could never understand Oct 7th then it has to be the same the other way around. That's how we value their lives equally.

And to add, collective punishment is a war crime and pure ISIS mindset. Which is what Israel have enacted.

They are ISIS in the form of military power house with the backing of the USA army and dollar.
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I don't understand of most of it, I'm not sure anyone does.

But I do understand, that Israel thinks the rest of the world wants them destroyed, as they have been targeted for actual thousands of years.

The mindset is deep.
 
Baleforce said:
I don't understand of most of it, I'm not sure anyone does.

But I do understand, that Israel thinks the rest of the world wants them destroyed, as they have been targeted for actual thousands of years.

The mindset is deep.
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They have unlimited support from the west. USA. Germany. UK.

They have crazy money.

And insane army with the best tech.

90 Nukes.

They can murder civilians and nobody in the west bats an eye lid.

Not a single one of their neighbours has attacked them in this war other than the one they are literally occupying.

They really aren't the victims here in my view.

As a Muslim I hate ISIS and Wahabis with every bone in my body

I'd think Jewish people (and many I know agree) feel the same about Israel in its current vile guise.
 
DubSpur said:
Enrichment is needed for domestic energy, although the reported levels of enrichment are beyond that but not at nuclear weapon grade yet either.
And you really believe Israel won't attack a target whether it's legitimate or not? They don't seem too concerned about what's hit in Gaza.
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6.5% needed for domestic purposes, Iran was at 60% apparently, with 90% needed for weapons grade.

I have no trust of Israel, but something needed doing.
Calling it out publically would have been better, but well Israel are shooting first ask for justification later.....

....it's such an awkward one, both Iranian and Israel regimes are utterly hideous.
 
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