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American politics

P.D. said:
Such a weird place, love going there on holiday but could never live there. For such a wealthy country it's insane how badly people are treated, must be the only major country in the world with no maternity leave, most of them are back at work within 2-3 months.

I just don't get the whole abortion debate, even countries like Ireland are now more liberal on it but the US seems to get more backwards with age.
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Exactly that!
It's the ultimate race to the top - just no-one knows what that actually is.
I had a really weird time living there - definitely experienced discrimination for being foreign. As a middle class white man married to an American in cookie cutter northern California, I can't even imagine what others experience!
But the lifestyle was also really great when things were good.
I also wouldn't live there again.
 
monkeybarry said:
Exactly that!
It's the ultimate race to the top - just no-one knows what that actually is.
I had a really weird time living there - definitely experienced discrimination for being foreign. As a middle class white man married to an American in cookie cutter northern California, I can't even imagine what others experience!
But the lifestyle was also really great when things were good.
I also wouldn't live there again.
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Firstly I shall let the middle class comment go.

Secondly we were on the verge of moving to San Francisco for my wife's work but then I got parkinsonism and it vetoed it. Thought they liked brits out there.

What I would like for the UK is a bit of Scandinavian culture. Think their politics is most suited to mine.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Firstly I shall let the middle class comment go.

Secondly we were on the verge of moving to San Francisco for my wife's work but then I got parkinsonism and it vetoed it. Thought they liked brits out there.

What I would like for the UK is a bit of Scandinavian culture. Think their politics is most suited to mine.
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Individuals like Brits.
But systemically it's not set up for Brits/anyone non American.
The whole system is just a bit odd.

Britain is a weird mix - it's wants to be Scandinavian but with US taxation levels. They are incompatible, it's one or the other.
 
P.D. said:
Such a weird place, love going there on holiday but could never live there. For such a wealthy country it's insane how badly people are treated, must be the only major country in the world with no maternity leave, most of them are back at work within 2-3 months.

I just don't get the whole abortion debate, even countries like Ireland are now more liberal on it but the US seems to get more backwards with age.
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I've never seen poverty anywhere in the world like I have in San Francisco. Beggars on every corners. All really well-educated articulate people too.
 
JerusalemMan said:
Hoping and wanting it to be a focus is not the same as believing it will be. I'm not quite that naive.
I quite understand why you'd like to cast my viewpoint as disingenuous. I'm sure it's necessary to make such thought leaps to avoid seeing yourself as a supporter of death. Women's rights: I'm totally on board with. I start to shift my opinion when the issue is no longer solely about women's rights but there's another person to factor in. And one that has no voice and is all too easily murdered for convenience.
I don't expect you to change your strongly held belief, in the same way that I won't change mine. But I'd figured I may as well comment a couple of times so that you're aware that the retrograde type of belief is definitely held on here as well as broadly in the USA. Lest you think you're in some echo-chamber :)
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I appreciate your honesty.
I don’t appreciate your POV.
We could debate ‘life’ forever but probably not even worth it TBH.
 
Gutter Boy said:
I've never seen poverty anywhere in the world like I have in San Francisco. Beggars on every corners. All really well-educated articulate people too.
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When were you last there? Economically, few cities saw an explosion of million and billionaires quite like what Silicon Valley brought to the Bay Area. With regards to poverty and the world, and without being an arsehole, I’d suggest that you’re ignoring the entire third world and even second world cities. I was just recently back in Chile and Argentina - the endless shanties are enormously depressing. I’m thinking maybe you mean in the western world?
 
thfcsteff said:
When were you last there? Economically, few cities saw an explosion of million and billionaires quite like what Silicon Valley brought to the Bay Area. With regards to poverty and the world, and without being an arsehole, I’d suggest that you’re ignoring the entire third world and even second world cities. I was just recently back in Chile and Argentina - the endless shanties are enormously depressing. I’m thinking maybe you mean in the western world?
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It was 2012, and yes western world. I think it was the inequality of it that got me - people that desperate with so much wealth all around them. It's a country where poverty really is a policy choice (like here too), unlike the second and third world.
 
JerusalemMan said:
Hoping and wanting it to be a focus is not the same as believing it will be. I'm not quite that naive.
I quite understand why you'd like to cast my viewpoint as disingenuous. I'm sure it's necessary to make such thought leaps to avoid seeing yourself as a supporter of death. Women's rights: I'm totally on board with. I start to shift my opinion when the issue is no longer solely about women's rights but there's another person to factor in. And one that has no voice and is all too easily murdered for convenience.
I don't expect you to change your strongly held belief, in the same way that I won't change mine. But I'd figured I may as well comment a couple of times so that you're aware that the retrograde type of belief is definitely held on here as well as broadly in the USA. Lest you think you're in some echo-chamber :)
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Is masturbation considered “killing babies” in your viewpoint? Couldn’t that load that resides in a crusty sock be quite literally millions of lost souls that would have walked our wonderful planet earth?

Just trying to understand what makes one a “supporter of death” in your eyes, it’d be helpful to know exactly where your lines are drawn as it sounds a bit like full blown extreme Catholicism from what you’ve said so far.
 
spurspinter1 said:
Is masturbation considered “killing babies” in your viewpoint? Couldn’t that load that resides in a crusty sock be quite literally millions of lost souls that would have walked our wonderful planet earth?

Just trying to understand what makes one a “supporter of death” in your eyes, it’d be helpful to know exactly where your lines are drawn as it sounds a bit like full blown extreme Catholicism from what you’ve said so far.
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I assume JerusalemMan is rather busy ensuring each and every one of his millions of sperm become adults. He's a busy lad.
 
spurspinter1 said:
Is masturbation considered “killing babies” in your viewpoint? Couldn’t that load that resides in a crusty sock be quite literally millions of lost souls that would have walked our wonderful planet earth?

Just trying to understand what makes one a “supporter of death” in your eyes, it’d be helpful to know exactly where your lines are drawn as it sounds a bit like full blown extreme Catholicism from what you’ve said so far.
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Besides this, I always hope that anti-abortionists are busy helping the many tens of thousands of orphans who have been left to scratch their way through a parentless/unwanted 'life'...obviously orphans can go on to have wonderful lives, but I am simply talking about the ones who are suffering and unwanted.
 
If an American man rapes his 14 year old daughter, must she abort the foetus early or must she bring up the child?
 
White supremacist goes into a black neighbourhood in Buffalo and shoots and kills at least 10 people. Obviously he is still alive and was completely unharmed when arrested.
 
Rorschach said:
My niece was there a couple of weeks ago. She couldn't wait to get out of the place. Addicts and the homeless were everywhere.

The richest country in the world.
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I was there 3/4 years back, place stank of tinkle. Wouldn't go back there again, don't know how such a rich place can have such a problem.
 
thfcsteff said:
Besides this, I always hope that anti-abortionists are busy helping the many tens of thousands of orphans who have been left to scratch their way through a parentless/unwanted 'life'...obviously orphans can go on to have wonderful lives, but I am simply talking about the ones who are suffering and unwanted.
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Just gonna leave this here…
 
AuroRaman said:
White supremacist goes into a black neighbourhood in Buffalo and shoots and kills at least 10 people. Obviously he is still alive and was completely unharmed when arrested.
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What a scumbag. Apparently he left a lot of warning signs that should have prompted official scrutiny of his activities but no one was monitoring him. Big questions as to why, when it seems white fascism is now the most significant terroristic element within us society.
 
Crab.C.Nesbitt said:
What a scumbag. Apparently he left a lot of warning signs that should have prompted official scrutiny of his activities but no one was monitoring him. Big questions as to why, when it seems white fascism is now the most significant terroristic element within us society.
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Maybe they should be banning the Great Replacement Theory rather than Critical Race Theory.

Watch out for self-described eco-facists like this piece of brick in Buffalo using climate degradation as a new justification for these killing sprees. Another form of racism in the making.
 
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