Aside from the shooting I thought it was illegal to cross state lines with a gun and you have to be 18 to own one, did I miss that part of it?
No. He said somebody leant it to him in state.
Aside from the shooting I thought it was illegal to cross state lines with a gun and you have to be 18 to own one, did I miss that part of it?
That's the bit I was sure he'd be convicted of as there's no real room for doubt there.Aside from the shooting I thought it was illegal to cross state lines with a gun and you have to be 18 to own one, did I miss that part of it?
No equivalence from me, I just think society's better off without all three of them.It’s worrying that we keep seeing an equivalence being made between the far right and legit protesters from intelligent posters.
No. He said somebody leant it to him in state.
Is that not illegal, you can just ring a mate up and borrow their assault rifle? That's nuts.
Apparently the wording of the gun laws in that state is a little fudged.Is that not illegal, you can just ring a mate up and borrow their assault rifle? That's nuts.
Is that not illegal, you can just ring a mate up and borrow their assault rifle? That's nuts.
I thought his friend bought it on his (Rittenhouse's) behalf, kept it at his house and then gave it to Rittenhouse once he had travelled to Kenosha. I think the friend was charged with providing the rifle to someone underage, but don't know if anything came of that, especially after the judge ruled on a technicality it was legal for Rittenhouse to be carrying it.
I really don't understand how the absurdity, to put it politely, of US gun laws can't be seen to a majority of people in the US when it's plain as day to everyone outside.
Apparently the wording of the gun laws in that state is a little fudged.
They're all cobbled together and ended up combining hunting rules with general gun control rules and it turns out that (if you take the letter of the law) it's only illegal for a minor to own a sawn-off shotgun or a snub-nosed automatic weapon. Obviously it's not the intent of those making the laws but that's how they've turned out.
That's why that charge was dropped. Even if it had stood, it was a misdemeanor charge and would have resulted in a small fine.
Murder??And this is why the law cannot be trusted to provide clean justice. These 'areas' which are open to extreme exploitation and out of context defense are found by the higher paid lawyers. State prosecutors vs highly paid defense teams? The difference is the paid defense knows that they simply have to find the grey area and plant doubt into the minds of jury they will already have had a major role in selecting. In short, they will be smarter, dirtier and less virtuous than a state prosecution team. Failing to get a jury to convict Rittenhouse for murder, and allowing it to fold as self-defense, is IMO incredibly meagre, sloppy and embarrassing work.
Murder??
Absolutely.
When you cross two state lines with an AR-15, it should be easier to find enough probable cause for intent to commit homicide. The level of premeditation involved should've been easy to prove.
Instead, the defense did a "brilliant" job of making the focus about self-defence. Once again, prosecutors missed a chance to try and illustrate to the jury that someone attempting to accost a man brandishing an AR 15 would 'usually' be considered a 'hero' trying to prevent many deaths.
The defense, sadly, played their cards well.
You're thinking of it with an english mindset. Yes that's how we'd see it and how a uk jury would see it. These are americans though. They have been brought up with the right to bear arms. The right to stand your ground. Even more they are kenoshans. It was their town being targeted by the protestors. They would haveseen the violence at other protests and were probably terrified that night.
I'm not saying what he did was right at all. Just that the jury might not (and did not) look at it the same way as you.
You're thinking of it with an english mindset. Yes that's how we'd see it and how a uk jury would see it. These are americans though. They have been brought up with the right to bear arms. The right to stand your ground. Even more they are kenoshans. It was their town being targeted by the protestors. They would haveseen the violence at other protests and were probably terrified that night.
I'm not saying what he did was right at all. Just that the jury might not (and did not) look at it the same way as you.
In Wisconsin, provocation does not remove the right to self defence. It just shifts the burden to the defendant to show he exhausted all other possibilities. The jury watched a video of Rittenhouse running away and clearly decided that was enough. It's not hard to see how a jury could come to that conclusion.Absolutely.
When you cross two state lines with an AR-15, it should be easier to find enough probable cause for intent to commit homicide. The level of premeditation involved should've been easy to prove.
Instead, the defense did a "brilliant" job of making the focus about self-defence. Once again, prosecutors missed a chance to try and illustrate to the jury that someone attempting to accost a man brandishing an AR 15 would 'usually' be considered a 'hero' trying to prevent many deaths.
The defense, sadly, played their cards well.
In Wisconsin, provocation does not remove the right to self defence. It just shifts the burden to the defendant to show he exhausted all other possibilities. The jury watched a video of Rittenhouse running away and clearly decided that was enough. It's not hard to see how a jury could come to that conclusion.
What other issue could it have ever been?Again, and I am not sure why it is hard to understand this point, the defence made sure that self-defence was the main issue very early, playing to that most local (and indeed, American) of galleries. The prosecution missed their chance and never ever caught up.
We followed the case and the verdict was unsurprising precisely because of this.
What other issue could it have ever been?
There are only two factors for the prosecution in a case like this. Did the defendant do it, and was it in self defence? The former wasn't at issue as it was never in dispute. The only remaining factor was that of self defence.
The defence didn't make the case about that, it was the case.
I made the point earlier, not sure if you saw it, that it doesn't matter what he did beforehand.The defense made sure that was the case. That is my point. The prosecution had the chance to illustrate that he crossed two state lines with the premeditated aim of shooting people - in the eyes of most people, this would be intent to commit homicide. Again Scara, public law vs private law usually results in one result. The muscle and might of private wins far, far more often. You should've learned that about US law with the OJ case, if nothing else. It is all about framing the narrative to either plant doubt or hype an element which will find sympathy with jurors. In this case, we both know what that was, the self-defense argument. Shambolic.