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Circus ManUnitus - Nobody's At The Wheel

thfcsteff said:
To my relatively untrained eye, they look in deep, deep structural brick. Well worth considering when the 360 pile in on Levy happens. Whatever anyone thinks, the man has us in superb financial/structural shape.
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Yes he does, despite what some may think when i support what Levy he has done here its not because i have complete faith in him. Of course he has made mistakes [ just like we all do during our life] but from where we were as a club to where we are now its night and day. I get it we fans think we should do better and when we start looking for reasons why we have not its usually the man at the top we blame.
 
parklane1 said:
Yes he does, despite what some may think when i support what Levy he has done here its not because i have complete faith in him. Of course he has made mistakes [ just like we all do during our life] but from where we were as a club to where we are now its night and day. I get it we fans think we should do better and when we start looking for reasons why we have not its usually the man at the top we blame.
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It's the same as everything with football fans. Great or brick.

Levy has done a job. Brilliantly for his remit. Butvwill we win the league or cl under him? We came close (which might be a part of the problem).

He's a ray wilkins, while i want a hoddle or modric. The glazers are ndombele.
 
treepits said:
I completely agree with this but to play devils advocate, they've won five trophies since Fergie left in 2013 (I'm not including the charity shield, Mikel) and I think some of our fans would possibly say they'd prefer that haul and the financial mess than what we have. What's the point of being such a stable club if you never taste success?
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Mostly FA cups though right?

Not real trophies.
 
treepits said:
I completely agree with this but to play devils advocate, they've won five trophies since Fergie left in 2013 (I'm not including the charity shield, Mikel) and I think some of our fans would possibly say they'd prefer that haul and the financial mess than what we have. What's the point of being such a stable club if you never taste success?
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You are missing context completely

- If Spurs, Villa or Saudi Sportswashing Machine won 5 trophies in 12 years it would be considered a success, not question. But it isn't Spurs ..

Manchester United is a league of 2 from global brand and revenue, it's them and Real Madrid, for context

- in SAF's time they won 26+ major trophies (not including 10 Charity Shields)
- including PL 13 times & 2 CL titles

So they went from 26 at a rate of one a year including the most prestigious trophies in the game while being a persistent challenger every year to 5 domestic trophies in 12 years with no League or CL title, despite outspending pretty much everyone in world football in that time (or being in top 3 at minimum)

That doesn't even get to, they have now fudged their future and it's really difficult to see them winning even that 5 in next 12 years.

So your definition of success would be, take the most successful club of the PL era, turn it into an occasional cup side, watch the infrastructure literally fall apart, burden the club with so much debt that PSR cripples any ability to get back to a top 6 side?

It's exactly the same conversation with the Scum, is Arteta doing a decent job in isolation? yes, compared to Wenger era and the advantage/position they had? no, it's a fudging disaster.
 
Raziel said:
You are missing context completely

- If Spurs, Villa or Saudi Sportswashing Machine won 5 trophies in 12 years it would be considered a success, not question. But it isn't Spurs ..

Manchester United is a league of 2 from global brand and revenue, it's them and Real Madrid, for context

- in SAF's time they won 26+ major trophies (not including 10 Charity Shields)
- including PL 13 times & 2 CL titles

So they went from 26 at a rate of one a year including the most prestigious trophies in the game while being a persistent challenger every year to 5 domestic trophies in 12 years with no League or CL title, despite outspending pretty much everyone in world football in that time (or being in top 3 at minimum)

That doesn't even get to, they have now fudged their future and it's really difficult to see them winning even that 5 in next 12 years.

So your definition of success would be, take the most successful club of the PL era, turn it into an occasional cup side, watch the infrastructure literally fall apart, burden the club with so much debt that PSR cripples any ability to get back to a top 6 side?

It's exactly the same conversation with the Scum, is Arteta doing a decent job in isolation? yes, compared to Wenger era and the advantage/position they had? no, it's a fudging disaster.
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I’m not sure I am missing context. There was a protest against Levy’s ownership last weekend protesting largely, and correct me if I’m wrong, a lack of trophies during his ownership

If we had won the same five trophies that United had won since 2013 I don’t think that protest would have happened or certainly wouldn’t have been as well supported as it was

Levy has continually ensured we are a well run club with no financial/ structural issues and given us a brand new stadium, basically the exact opposite to how United have been run. I only suggested there are fans of this club who act as if they would swap what we have for United’s trophy haul in the last 10-12 years
 
Baleforce said:
Has it?

I think it’s still the biggest thing in pro sports.
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I reckon 7 out of 10 15-year-olds wouldn't be able to tell you who won it last season. And a decade it would have only maybe been say 3 out of 10. Since it went off mainstream tv, it's profile amongst fair-weather fans has definitely fallen a lot.

Also streaming mean lots of series fans now watch all their own team's games, but virtually none of other teams.
 
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