Guglielmo Vicario

[Ace Face]

I know he is not everyones choice for our keeper, but there is a stat that shows he has made more saves then any keeper this season.

Goalkeepers are very often affected by confidence more so than any other position. If we can get back to a more consistent level of better performances and results, I absolutely expect to see a better, more confident version of Venom.

We should focus on his positives, of which he has many, and not expect him to be something which he isn’t.

 

[parklane1]

Goalkeepers are very often affected by confidence more so than any other position. If we can get back to a more consistent level of better performances and results, I absolutely expect to see a better, more confident version of Venom.

We should focus on his positives, of which he has many, and not expect him to be something which he isn’t.

Agree.

 

[Raziel]

Goalkeepers are very often affected by confidence more so than any other position. If we can get back to a more consistent level of better performances and results, I absolutely expect to see a better, more confident version of Venom.

We should focus on his positives, of which he has many, and not expect him to be something which he isn’t.

He would be infinitely better by Frank doing a couple of simple things

- He needs to fix the passing lanes out, for most games, Vic (who isn't good with his feet) only gets 2 options, Romero right, VDV left, see it illustrated below, the FBs are only available by mid-range air pass, the midfield is effectively blocked. This makes it much easier to pressure Vic and try to force the error.



- Alternatively we play too many hoof and hope balls that beside not being his core skill set, to players like Richi it just ends up in recycle

And finally, with how teams are allowed to bully the keeper, we need players to take a protective role in set pieces. And this one is pure Spurs narrative brick, if you watch games every week-end you see GKs being blocked off, "fouled", interfered with and quite a bit will lead to goals, but when Vic does it, it's because he's weak ... and Spurs fans lap it up

 

[Ace Face]

I linked a vid in another thread about how teams have changed their pressing to a man-man coverage instead of zonal, which usually now takes away the CM passing options, from which you can get the ball to the FBs. It’s an interesting development in the game and one that in theory should allow for more success with long balls to a target man. The switch to a back 3, and getting Romero more involved, could be an improvement with this.

Regardless, I don’t think Vic is below average with his passing. Remember when we signed him we were all creaming ourselves at how much better he was than Lloris at this?

Besides, every single player has weaknesses in their game and we spend so much time focusing on this rather than their strengths. Look at Donnaruma…an incredible shot-stopper but a downgrade on the Ederson with the ball at his feet, but that didn’t stop Pep snapping him up.

Vic is a very good keeper. Let’s enjoy him and his eccentricities while we have him instead of making him a spacegoat for the teams’ failings.

 

[Bishop]

I linked a vid in another thread about how teams have changed their pressing to a man-man coverage instead of zonal, which usually now takes away the CM passing options, from which you can get the ball to the FBs. It’s an interesting development in the game and one that in theory should allow for more success with long balls to a target man. The switch to a back 3, and getting Romero more involved, could be an improvement with this.

Regardless, I don’t think Vic is below average with his passing. Remember when we signed him we were all creaming ourselves at how much better he was than Lloris at this?

Besides, every single player has weaknesses in their game and we spend so much time focusing on this rather than their strengths. Look at Donnaruma…an incredible shot-stopper but a downgrade on the Ederson with the ball at his feet, but that didn’t stop Pep snapping him up.

Vic is a very good keeper. Let’s enjoy him and his eccentricities while we have him instead of making him a spacegoat for the teams’ failings.

Lloris was terrible with his feet, you're kind of damning him with faint praise.

With Vicario I don't think his passing is terrible, he can and will pass with both feet but it's the hesitation and the look of discomfort when he does that concerns. He never seems that sure of what he's doing when kicking and then there is the accuracy, too many looping passes that hard to control and move on quickly.

He's not the problem, but he is sadly one of them.

 

[Ace Face]

Lloris was terrible with his feet, you're kind of damning him with faint praise.

With Vicario I don't think his passing is terrible, he can and will pass with both feet but it's the hesitation and the look of discomfort when he does that concerns. He never seems that sure of what he's doing when kicking and then there is the accuracy, too many looping passes that hard to control and move on quickly.

He's not the problem, but he is sadly one of them.

And when we got Lloris it was his ability with the ball at his feet which was considered one of his strengths!

The GK position has evolved so much in the past decade but it still remains their #1 priority is to stop shots. And he is above average there. We just need to stop putting him positions where he isn’t comfortable.

I wonder if there is a stat for this season on how many times a team has played back to their keeper from the final third?

 

[SteveAWOL]

Vicario > Raya

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[Raziel]

And when we got Lloris it was his ability with the ball at his feet which was considered one of his strengths!

The GK position has evolved so much in the past decade but it still remains their #1 priority is to stop shots. And he is above average there. We just need to stop putting him positions where he isn’t comfortable.

I wonder if there is a stat for this season on how many times a team has played back to their keeper from the final third?

Lloris was a good shot stopper and a great sweeper keeper when we got him, with time/age/instruction he got more and more stuck to his line which reduced his effectiveness.

All GKs live off confidence, Vic is better than his current form, the style he is being asked to play, the pressure the team is under (fans/results/etc) isn't helping.

There is a reason people (kidding or not) are saying give Harry the team, because we all know intuitively that played to their strengths, all of these players are better than current results/form is showing

 

[Bishop]

And when we got Lloris it was his ability with the ball at his feet which was considered one of his strengths!

The GK position has evolved so much in the past decade but it still remains their #1 priority is to stop shots. And he is above average there. We just need to stop putting him positions where he isn’t comfortable.

I wonder if there is a stat for this season on how many times a team has played back to their keeper from the final third?

No it bloody wasn't.

I watched Lloris for Lyon, he was never good with his feet. NEVER!

What he was known for as a standout feature was his sweeper keeper antics, not his passing game.

The problem with Vicario and not being put in uncomfortable positions is that the opposition won't comply with that idea. They will put crosses on his head and he can't deal with that, they will take shots at goal and he will palm them back into the centre. There isn't a great deal we can do to make his life easier.

 

[Ace Face]

No it bloody wasn't.

I watched Lloris for Lyon, he was never good with his feet. NEVER!

What he was known for as a standout feature was his sweeper keeper antics, not his passing game.

The problem with Vicario and not being put in uncomfortable positions is that the opposition won't comply with that idea. They will put crosses on his head and he can't deal with that, they will take shots at goal and he will palm them back into the centre. There isn't a great deal we can do to make his life easier.

We can stop passing it back to him so often from attacking positions. Beingmore aggressive in general, like against Frankfurt, means he doesn’t have to play out as often.

Fair point on Lloris btw. But back when we signed him, GKs were never asked to do anything other than belt it clear and his sweeper-keeper style was an upgrade on the position at that time in terms of using your feet. Pep signing Ederson was the real moment when GKs were expected to be good with the ball at their feet.

 

[Bishop]

We can stop passing it back to him so often from attacking positions. Beingmore aggressive in general, like against Frankfurt, means he doesn’t have to play out as often.

Fair point on Lloris btw. But back when we signed him, GKs were never asked to do anything other than belt it clear and his sweeper-keeper style was an upgrade on the position at that time in terms of using your feet. Pep signing Ederson was the real moment when GKs were expected to be good with the ball at their feet.

In the PL maybe, it wasn't that uncommon in Europe. Neuer was around, Barthez and Lama were passing keepers as was Valdes. There are others whose names I can't remember right now but Lloris was already a little bit old school in that regard by 2012.

I do agree though that the passing back to the keeper from a promising position does my head in but that's tied to other systemic issues we have so I think it's unlikely that it's going to go away any time soon.

 

[Baleforce]

No it bloody wasn't.

I watched Lloris for Lyon, he was never good with his feet. NEVER!

What he was known for as a standout feature was his sweeper keeper antics, not his passing game.

The problem with Vicario and not being put in uncomfortable positions is that the opposition won't comply with that idea. They will put crosses on his head and he can't deal with that, they will take shots at goal and he will palm them back into the centre. There isn't a great deal we can do to make his life easier.

Yeah there is, play (at least) two proper CB’s every game who put every incoming cross out for an opposition goal kick.

Agree with you on Hugo though, he could never kick a ball properly, and tbh, as amazing as he was at times, he did have poignets en chocolat

 

[Mrs Vert]

He is so bad at the moment, we need rid and its now becoming my number 1 position where we need to upgrade

Which likely means the board won't do naff all about it for like another 2yrs. So buckle up buttercup. He is here to stay and possibly be extended. (I agree with you by the way)

The incompetence of this company continues to excel in new lows

 

[Mrs Vert]

He has been bad for a long while. Criminal that we didn't upgrade last summer and even more criminal that we haven't in this transfer window.

Along with so many other criminal inadequacies, it would take too long to list

 

[Muttley]

Great convo on Hugo.

For me, one of the most underrated keeper around for the majority of his Spurs career. He was a fantastic shot stopper and his handling was amazing. We bought him as the sweeper keeper in an era of kicking long. I think I remember being pretty decent at throwing the ball out with his hands as well. Obviously Schmeichel was unsurpassed the keeper that threw the ball with accuracy.

I think one of Hugo's most underrated attributes was his leadership and communication. He created a calmness for those in front of him and he coached them through the matches with his communication. He wasn't shouty or dramatic. Just calm and reassuring.

Obviously, he got older and Conte made a bad decision handing out that last contract rather than replacing him for the final couple of years. That's history.

It does get me thinking what we need as our next keeper though. Vic doesn't personify calmness and great comms to me. He doesn't seem great under the high ball which is about as much judgment as physicality to be fair. He is an amazing shot stopper and is pretty decent 1 on 1. Like Hugo he's not the most intricate with his feet.

It's going to be tough to find a new keeper in my opinion but we must carry on search for one. It's such an important position.