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Guglielmo Vicario

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Difficult to write this, because I want to support our players as much as possible, but the keeper issue is now impossible to ignore. I was at the Lane for the first time this season against West Ham and Dortmund this week, and felt really sad to see that Vic has stopped greeting supporters after coming our for the second half - in the North Stand where I was sitting. Not even clapping to those of us behind the goal to say hello, I feel that's an extremely bad sign - a lack of confidence and a lack of perceived support, by him, which feed into each other. I'm not sure if he interacts with the supporters in the South Stand during the warm-up, could not see that, but my guess is that the vibe is very different to, say, a year ago. The booing when he was on the ball looking for a pass did not help of course.

Not getting to the ball for the West Ham corner in injury time was not unexpected, it is just that opposition teams have not singled him out as much for physical pressure in the last four months or so - or that our defenders have done better to protect him. But it continues to eat away at him, and at our defence. And then he keeps trying to compensate for this by shouting and gesturing wildly throughout the game. In short, I feel that the goalkeeper does not provide enough support for the defenders (much more than the other way around). A good PL goalkeeper would have come for the ball today, for the first Burnley goal, in the six-yard box. And because VDV and Romero know he will not come for these balls, they are forced to defend too close to our goal, which is not playing to their strengths.

Much of this is old news, and it was long compensated for by excellent shot stopping. Bilbao was emblematic of this: flapping to force VDV to save on the line acrobatically, before bailing us out by getting to the Shaw header in injury time. But how many points has he won for us this season? I really struggle to think of games where he did. Monaco away comes to mind - and that may well be an important point on Wednesday. Perhaps there are more, but I cannot remember them. I believe that Kinsky can become pretty good, and maybe he deserves a chance now, but I think it's unlikely that Frank or his successor will gamble on him long-term. So this summer, getting a more commanding goalkeeper, with a more commanding presence in the box, would be at the very top of my list. I think that might solve many of our defensive problems.
 
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Difficult to write this, because I want to support our players as much as possible, but the keeper issue is now impossible to ignore. I was at the Lane for the first time this season against West Ham and Dortmund this week, and felt really sad to see that Vic has stopped greeting supporters after coming our for the second half - in the North Stand where I was sitting. Not even clapping to those of us behind the goal to say hello, I feel that's an extremely bad sign - a lack of confidence and a lack of perceived support, by him, which feed into each other. I'm not sure if he interacts with the supporters in the South Stand during the warm-up, could not see that, but my guess is that the vibe is very different to, say, a year ago. The booing when he was on the ball looking for a pass did not help of course.

Not getting to the ball for the West Ham corner in injury time was not unexpected, it is just that opposition teams have not singled him out as much for physical pressure in the last four months or so - or that our defenders have done better to protect him. But it continues to eat away at him, and at our defence. And then he keeps trying to compensate for this by shouting and gesturing wildly throughout the game. In short, I feel that the goalkeeper does not provide enough support for the defenders (much more than the other way around). A good PL goalkeeper would have come for the ball today, for the first Burnley goal, in the six-yard box. And because VDV and Romero know he will not come for these balls, they are forced to defend too close to our goal, which is not playing to their strengths.

Much of this is old news, and it was long compensated for by excellent shot stopping. Bilbao was emblematic of this: flapping to force VDV to save on the line acrobatically, before bailing us out by getting to the Shaw header in injury time. But how many points has he won for us this season? I really struggle to think of games where he did. Monaco away comes to mind - and that may well be an important point on Wednesday. Perhaps there are more, but I cannot remember them. I believe that Kinsky can become pretty good, and maybe he deserves a chance now, but I think it's unlikely that Frank or his successor will gamble on him long-term. So this summer, getting a more commanding goalkeeper, with a more commanding presence in the box, would be at the very top of my list. I think that might solve many of our defensive problems.
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You need to have a calming influence behind you and a very strong communicator who is giving your great advice in the moment. I have a feeling this might be another big flaw with Vic unfortunately. It's not about being shouty either. Hugo had a perfect balance with this area and you can see why he became the clubs real leader.

I don't know whether we find this, and the big things you talk about obviously. We need to though.
 
I've never seen him diffuse a situation

A mistake will happen, instead of calming everyone down, getting us in position and regrouped, he's marching off somewhere shouting and waving at someone.
 
Hotspur75 said:
Difficult to write this, because I want to support our players as much as possible, but the keeper issue is now impossible to ignore. I was at the Lane for the first time this season against West Ham and Dortmund this week, and felt really sad to see that Vic has stopped greeting supporters after coming our for the second half - in the North Stand where I was sitting. Not even clapping to those of us behind the goal to say hello, I feel that's an extremely bad sign - a lack of confidence and a lack of perceived support, by him, which feed into each other. I'm not sure if he interacts with the supporters in the South Stand during the warm-up, could not see that, but my guess is that the vibe is very different to, say, a year ago. The booing when he was on the ball looking for a pass did not help of course.

Not getting to the ball for the West Ham corner in injury time was not unexpected, it is just that opposition teams have not singled him out as much for physical pressure in the last four months or so - or that our defenders have done better to protect him. But it continues to eat away at him, and at our defence. And then he keeps trying to compensate for this by shouting and gesturing wildly throughout the game. In short, I feel that the goalkeeper does not provide enough support for the defenders (much more than the other way around). A good PL goalkeeper would have come for the ball today, for the first Burnley goal, in the six-yard box. And because VDV and Romero know he will not come for these balls, they are forced to defend too close to our goal, which is not playing to their strengths.

Much of this is old news, and it was long compensated for by excellent shot stopping. Bilbao was emblematic of this: flapping to force VDV to save on the line acrobatically, before bailing us out by getting to the Shaw header in injury time. But how many points has he won for us this season? I really struggle to think of games where he did. Monaco away comes to mind - and that may well be an important point on Wednesday. Perhaps there are more, but I cannot remember them. I believe that Kinsky can become pretty good, and maybe he deserves a chance now, but I think it's unlikely that Frank or his successor will gamble on him long-term. So this summer, getting a more commanding goalkeeper, with a more commanding presence in the box, would be at the very top of my list. I think that might solve many of our defensive problems.
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I'm not his biggest fan and I agree with much of what you say, but the EL final I don't think that was a flap, Bentancur "fouls" him. I find it difficult to blame Vic for that one.
 
Can but dream that Vicario had anywhere near this level of ball control, let alone being able to pass the ball like Neuer.

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