Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
We also lost Cullen, as well as Caplethorne, in these type of roles, so id imagine there are a few existing vacancies
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ricky2tricky4city
Chris Jones
Its a complete sweep out of the C-suite.
BUT the owners are the same.
So the question to be answered, is it just shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic?
The broader question is what is the club trying to achieve?
- Levy expected top 4, he said he wanted more (believe or not)
We have no idea what the current strategy/expectation of club is, so far window looks like a net spend of 0 (which is regression from Levy), the fact that Frank doesn't appear to be under any internal pressure is also an unknown why? have we decided all managers need more patience, are we willing to take a season out of Europe for it? what is the timeframe for the on field success they hinted at?
Muttley
Gerry Armstrong
I'm only ever excited with these changes. I watched for way too long as Levy stuck with his 2-in-a-box model with his managers. He over-empowered himself on football operational decisions that he didn't always make well. He should have looked at organisations like Fenway Sports Group and seen what Liverpool achieved with the right structure and the right people. Then he would have been able to focus on some of the things he was really good at and get the other skillsets in.
The only thing I noticed with Liverpool was that every senior role they hired was to make the 1st team manager, Klopp, the main man at the football club. There was never a question that everything they did was to ensure Klopp had on-field success. To do that, you have to have ultimate faith in the manager in the hot seat. I don't think we currently do.
The only thing I noticed with Liverpool was that every senior role they hired was to make the 1st team manager, Klopp, the main man at the football club. There was never a question that everything they did was to ensure Klopp had on-field success. To do that, you have to have ultimate faith in the manager in the hot seat. I don't think we currently do.
Hell of a risk, and one you should only take with an elite manager, in the EPL today I only think Pep and maybe at a stretch Emry deserve that ultimate faith, Slot has made a mare with 450M, Arteta is 1.2B in with 6 years of almost, United has bought utter brick and unbalanced a squad to the craziest levels to support ETH & Amorim.
Muttley
Gerry Armstrong
Slightly different things though. Pool's system was totally geared to support Klopp so when Slot took over it was totally geared to support him. That should be no different from the Ange to Frank transition and the one after that. It does get me thinking whether the Spurs model really is setup with the 1st team manager in the absolute middle, agnostic of which guy is in there.
I'm not sure it should be (with caveats)
- Certain clubs (not that I think we should be imitating them) like Brentford, Brighton, etc, the manager is really just a coach that is expected to be replaced with no change in continuity.
It would certainly be easier for recruitment, academy/youth development is the club had more of a football identity/strategy/system that could transfer from one manager to another, perfect example is things like wingers, FB/WBs, CF as poacher or hold up man.
Poch -> Jose requires vastly different players
Jose -> (forget Nuno) Conte, not that different
Conte -> Ange, vastly different
Ange - > Frank, vastly different but Ange for the most part liked utility/flexible players so not as bad (Johnson being the one specialist)
My view
- Club should be much better supporting at certain things, e.g. Ange needed coaching help, Frank needs help with someone taking some of the media hits, medical team always seems to be something we need to work on, loans and youth/academy development should be mostly not on manager but with view to how/when they would incorporate.
Recruitment is different, the average tenure of a manager in the PL is 18 months, while it's a nice fantasy to hope for a longer tenure and success, it's not going to happen more often than not, so you can't have recruitment be entirely for the current manager, there must be some view of continuity. What that looks like? don't know, maybe we plan to buy 6 players a year, 2 first 11 starters, 1 squad, 3 prospects/academy, and you give the manager 1 first choice? we can't afford to have to rework the squad on every manager changes so that leaves you with either hiring managers of a very consistent style or managers having to work with majority club signings.
ricky2tricky4city
Chris Jones
I think in most people's world it's longer than 6 months.
Most of the things we ponder (to use a softer word
) ...we haven't got a clue about tbh
Bullet
Paul Stewart
We have changed/ are changing the whole C-Suite and senior managers / coaches, in any industry it needs a bit of time to see what works and what doesn't.
E.g. there was a fella 'Brett' that came in and was shipped out again, he didn't work. Not everyone will be spot on. So we need this transition period where all the senior guys come in and people learn how to work with each other.
Meanwhile we are keeping the same coach as the last thing we need is to flip managers every 6 months. Frank is a bit boring but also quite stable, he is long term, he is happy to suffer quietly and do his job and try to turn things around, which is fine with me.
Some loudmouths (empty vessels like drug-enthusiast teacher Billie Thorpe) are already moaning that we haven't spent loads of money this January, even though we've got a very good player (Gallagher) and brought in 2 senior management guys, and a senior coach, and seemingly Souza, and we hear noises that the Lewis's's's want to make a statement signing too.
I'm pleased overall with most things, including Conor Gallagher's haircut, although I am concerned about exactly when Vinai is going to shave his head fully. Oh yeah, it would be nice if Tom Frank had us playing better football.
E.g. there was a fella 'Brett' that came in and was shipped out again, he didn't work. Not everyone will be spot on. So we need this transition period where all the senior guys come in and people learn how to work with each other.
Meanwhile we are keeping the same coach as the last thing we need is to flip managers every 6 months. Frank is a bit boring but also quite stable, he is long term, he is happy to suffer quietly and do his job and try to turn things around, which is fine with me.
Some loudmouths (empty vessels like drug-enthusiast teacher Billie Thorpe) are already moaning that we haven't spent loads of money this January, even though we've got a very good player (Gallagher) and brought in 2 senior management guys, and a senior coach, and seemingly Souza, and we hear noises that the Lewis's's's want to make a statement signing too.
I'm pleased overall with most things, including Conor Gallagher's haircut, although I am concerned about exactly when Vinai is going to shave his head fully. Oh yeah, it would be nice if Tom Frank had us playing better football.
