Silly McSilly Face
Sebastien Bassong
All sarcasm and bitterness aside I'm genuinely happy for you and all the other fans that feel that way. I hope we win it for you guys and wish I could feel the same way.
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Ange in or out?
- Thread starter Yiddo
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I think the build on your question, refocusing on point 1 to maybe offer a third choice - it doesn’t work on point 2 given how the league works - is win the cup but no CL … AND have had to endure the league season we’ve had.
No doubt about it, winning this thing would be very significant for the club, for all manner of reasons. Would it be a significant achievement, for all the reasons debated here in terms of the quality of opposition and the fact winning cups does include an element of luck? That’s an interesting debate, for me.
Mikey10
Paul Robinson
Me too on being happy for others wo are fully bought in. And a massive 'chapeau' to those who still feel inspired to make the trip to Bilbao
I'll definitely be happy should we win. It will mean so much to the club, and I think it will help us massively moving forward.
For me, though, because of the circumstances of the last 18 months, it's just not going to touch the '91 FA Cup win, or Amsterdam - but I really will LOVE it...LOVE IT if we beat them!
tommysvr
Edgar Davids
Bedfordspurs
Joe Kinnear
I don’t think we face been lucky on any European games
We lost some too
But we have been better than all the teams we played so far
We have had lucky league games and also some unlucky ones
Bedfordspurs
Joe Kinnear
Half our fan base weren’t even born in 91 (just assuming the age profile)
Amsterdam was unreal
City away was too (I have scars from that game on my leg)
But they are moments
We are a moments club
That is partly why we never achieve
The bar isn’t high enough around the demands IMO and it’s probably because there is wrists next year
You're putting 2 + 2 together here a bit - there's a fair debate to be had over the strength of the Europa League in it's current format. The mirrored response to your post here would be that you are playing up the significance/quality of the competition because you want to fawn over Ange / stick two fingers up to those who think he is doing a poor job, should he win it - whereas it could just be that it's a nuanced topic and there is logic to on either side
That's fair, and as always in debates the truth often lies somewhere inbetween. But there are a section of people trying to put down this POTENTIAL achievement which I have a couple of issues with:You're putting 2 + 2 together here a bit - there's a fair debate to be had over the strength of the Europa League in it's current format. The mirrored response to your post here would be that you are playing up the significance/quality of the competition because you want to fawn over Ange / stick two fingers up to those who think he is doing a poor job, should he win it - whereas it could just be that it's a nuanced topic and there is logic to on either side
We have won 3 European competitions in our history, winning a European trophy - any European trophy is not easy. Ask Arsenal
It is absolutely fine to say the competition isn't as strong without the CL teams. But the level of teams we have beat this season are the equivalent of those we have lost matches to in previous European campaigns, so to have the nous to navigate this all the way to the final without any real element of luck required is not to be sniffed at.
That being said, the amount of debate on this will doubtlessly lead to us not turning up in the final anyway and it will be absolute carnage on here Wednesday night
....That's fair, and as always in debates the truth often lies somewhere inbetween. But there are a section of people trying to put down this POTENTIAL achievement which I have a couple of issues with:
We have won 3 European competitions in our history, winning a European trophy - any European trophy is not easy. Ask Arsenal
It is absolutely fine to say the competition isn't as strong without the CL teams. But the level of teams we have beat this season are the equivalent of those we have lost matches to in previous European campaigns, so to have the nous to navigate this all the way to the final without any real element of luck required is not to be sniffed at.
That being said, the amount of debate on this will doubtlessly lead to us not turning up in the final anyway and it will be absolute carnage on here Wednesday night
I'd take any trophy.
Some people just like to be miserable.
tommysvr
Edgar Davids
You're putting 2 + 2 together here a bit - there's a fair debate to be had over the strength of the Europa League in it's current format. The mirrored response to your post here would be that you are playing up the significance/quality of the competition because you want to fawn over Ange / stick two fingers up to those who think he is doing a poor job, should he win it - whereas it could just be that it's a nuanced topic and there is logic to on either side
I’ve not played it up at all. I agree that we should beat all of the teams we have. But we’ve been knocked out countless times by teams we should be beating.
I just don’t remember the calibre of team you beat on the way to a final ever being a barometer of the value of a trophy in the past. Why is it now?
Robspur12
Jimmy Neighbour
There's no doubt he's shown some nous in getting there. It's the rest of the stuff like binning off league games that I have a problem with.That's fair, and as always in debates the truth often lies somewhere inbetween. But there are a section of people trying to put down this POTENTIAL achievement which I have a couple of issues with:
We have won 3 European competitions in our history, winning a European trophy - any European trophy is not easy. Ask Arsenal
It is absolutely fine to say the competition isn't as strong without the CL teams. But the level of teams we have beat this season are the equivalent of those we have lost matches to in previous European campaigns, so to have the nous to navigate this all the way to the final without any real element of luck required is not to be sniffed at.
That being said, the amount of debate on this will doubtlessly lead to us not turning up in the final anyway and it will be absolute carnage on here Wednesday night
glorygloryeze
Steffen Freund
glasgowspur
Colin Calderwood
Yeah strange logic, he's useless and can't win a game to now it's binning off games.
Robspur12
Jimmy Neighbour
There are a range of views on Ange and his ability. I have posted elsewhere that I think he has approached the League games very differently to the Cup and Europa League games. It feels like he is binning off the league games
glasgowspur
Colin Calderwood
I don't think he's binning them off, I think at the end of a very disappointing league season he's prioritising a competition we can win and would give us a huge reward.
Should he risk vdv doing a hammy, Romero getting a red card or Matty Cash doing a special on one of our players to get us up to the dizzy heights of 13th, or rest them for a competition that gets us desirable trophy and a CL spot?
I think he should be and will be gone in the summer, but it's the here and now and what's important for the club and the important thing is that we win on Wednesday.
Nothing else matters.
glorygloryeze
Steffen Freund
He has certainly protected certain players who are injury prone from playing in league games. However, if he is binning league games, he's been doing that since last March...
parklane1
Vivian Woodward
If i were you i would not hold my breath for that to happen.
Robspur12
Jimmy Neighbour
Agreed, but it's been a fair few games he's been doing this in the league. Basically the knockout stages. I can't think of other teams who rest players for that number of games. Or if they do, send teams out who look completely unprepared for the task in front of them. If you're not going to take League games seriously, then don't charge fans for coming to watch. Just my view.
ricky2tricky4city
Luka Modric
I don't think (hope) that anyone running a football club makes decisions in that manner.
ricky2tricky4city
Luka Modric
Quelle suprise.