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The Tragic Regression of British Children

It might just be me but not being able to use stairs, and occasionally using Americanisms aren't really in the same ballpark are they?

So kids are lazy and don't speak the language perfectly, it's a good job we all came out fully developed and articulate so it's totally reasonable that we should judge the current lot.

For balance I do think standards / behaviours are generally slipping, but we do often focus on the negatives. You're likely to remember the three or four kids acting like clams on the train rather than the twenty just minding their own. And the obnoxious kids probably have parents who are clams, so what do you expect?

Where I live, you get so solid crew wannabes who literally just walk around trying to start beef with people, it's rather sad but the problem hasn't started with them....
 
Rorschach said:
I'd say a fair part of this is down to time, or lack thereof. Having two full-time working parents trying to make ends meet is pretty common now, and having electronic devices 'babysit' kids is a big temptation when time is very scarce.
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Gutter Boy said:
Equally kids probably shouldn't be going to school at 4. We could change it to 7 like happens in more advanced countries that have better educational outcomes.
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Can't agree with either of these. My kids went to nursery day care 3 or 4 times a week when they were 1yr olds, and mixed with other kids, so they were learning and acclimatising for nursery school. Also, no grandparents about for free child minding. When you have kids, you take on that responsibility. Parenting is full time. What is being described in the article is just tinkle poor parenting IMO.
 
Lemonade Money said:
Can't agree with either of these. My kids went to nursery day care 3 or 4 times a week when they were 1yr olds, and mixed with other kids, so they were learning and acclimatising for nursery school. Also, no grandparents about for free child minding. When you have kids, you take on that responsibility. Parenting is full time. What is being described in the article is just tinkle poor parenting IMO.
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You don't think parents use electronic devices to keep kids occupied? It is not good parenting but it happens.
 
The Lockdown was the biggest fudge up for children since they were forced to work at 3 years old. The group think and weak leadership is solely to blame for this.

We will be living with this problem for a hundred years.
 
Lemonade Money said:
Can't agree with either of these. My kids went to nursery day care 3 or 4 times a week when they were 1yr olds, and mixed with other kids, so they were learning and acclimatising for nursery school. Also, no grandparents about for free child minding. When you have kids, you take on that responsibility. Parenting is full time. What is being described in the article is just tinkle poor parenting IMO.
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Nursey and day care and nursery school are significantly different to Reception/Primary school.

All in for the socialising, social learning and play learning, kindergartens and those ilks offer. The formal educational set up of 4 and 5 year olds in 'proper' school' is, I think what GB was comparing it to vs other countries that start that 2 or 3 years later.

Also nursery and day care isn't always cheap and that changes family dynamics plus shift patterns etc. etc.

there is a lot of tinkle poor parenting, there is also a lot of expectation that that parenting gap is the responsibility of teachers to make up, but there are also significant economic and community issues that create individual situations that don't allow for full on parenting or create wider social issues where even average parenting can still fail.

And, yes, the pandemic was a major impact on children educationally and socially, but the bigger issue at play was the unnecessary austerity drive of the last 15 years that decimated early years care and support.
 
It seems taboo to talk about the massive benefits of not having kids. But children are horrible.

As per China we should think about penalising those who choose to add to the worlds population and increase the strain on resources which is arguably behind every major problem in the world today.

But instead they are rewarded.
 
Rorschach said:
I'd say a fair part of this is down to time, or lack thereof. Having two full-time working parents (or even one!) trying to make ends meet is pretty common now, and having electronic devices 'babysit' kids is a big temptation when time is very scarce.
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Maybe it is on the parent(s) mentality then, but simply giving a kid pretty moving cartoon pictures etc is wrong without moderation.

My lad is just 4, he speaks three languages already (two fluently), he was born late 2020 so bang into the start of the covid flimflam where I had to be home-office. Neither me or the missus have any family here, and because of covid & Putin we weren't able to get over to see any in-person till he was nearly three - we took him upon ourselves (because of course), no nanny or such until he was off to kindergarden at the end of 2023 which is when we had the break.

He never had exposure to a phone (where he is just sat watching, he did of course see us on phones) or the tv until he was three, he saw the odd telly at friends if we were visiting but other than that he had the usual sensory/learning/education toys and a brick ton of books (I kid you not, the missus has spent thousands on books :eek:) which he loved to just sit and play with - still does.

There were times where is was totally manic, but the idea of shutting him up or getting a break with an easy solution never crossed our minds - nowadays he just drives us crazy cos he is a hyper little bugger and yes now he has some cartoons n such but with limited time spent because even at four too much is not good.
 
johnola said:
It seems taboo to talk about the massive benefits of not having kids. But children are horrible.

As per China we should think about penalising those who choose to add to the worlds population and increase the strain on resources which is arguably behind every major problem in the world today.

But instead they are rewarded.
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Not as bad as old people, they should be slaughtered at birth.
 
Rorschach said:
I'd say a fair part of this is down to time, or lack thereof. Having two full-time working parents (or even one!) trying to make ends meet is pretty common now, and having electronic devices 'babysit' kids is a big temptation when time is very scarce.
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That's probably true, although it should all be factored into the decision as to whether one should have a child or extra children.
 
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