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Johan Lange - Sporting Director

Grays_1890 said:
For me it looks like not wanting to make a decision on who is senior in the role whilst wanting to have them both. I could be massively wrong but that's how I read it
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Yes it does look like that (hence making Lange feel better with a 'promotion' lol)
But having both might work...I think their skill sets a vastly different. As I said previously it's about being adults, no egos and respect.

You could argue that if it doesn't work, we don't have to destroy the structure...just bomb the one out who's not performing/fudging everyone off :)
 
Grays_1890 said:
Disaster written all over it from the outside, based purely on the fact very fee shared roles work.

The saving grace is that they have different skill sets and you hope it blends.

Like anything with Spurs, let's see
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Well. it very well could end up an ego-driven disaster, but I wouldn't be that sure about it. The thing is, this is not uncommon in the environment Paratici knows best, i.e, Italy. He himself played the 'Lange role', for lack of a better term, at Sampdoria and Juventus - working on the scouting and player identification while acting as a protege to Beppe Marotta, who made the main decisions on whom to bring in and for how much.

Not like it was particularly short-lived, either. Paratici was Marotta's protege and second-in-command for something like 14 years, from the mid-2000s through to 2018 when he took over the role.

But, the key is that there has to be an awareness of roles and responsibilities - Paratici found the players and set deals up, but Marotta decided which ones were worth pursuing, and closed on them accordingly. There's a clear hierarchy there, which is why it worked.

It fell apart when Paratici started trying to bypass Marotta by currying favor with Juventus's owners, the Agnellis - the Ronaldo deal was the trigger for Marotta leaving, as he felt Paratici had undermined him by working with Andrea Agnelli to get that deal done, while he himself had been against it.

Marotta subsequently went to Inter and revitalized them, Paratici fumbled at Juventus and then joined us as the plusvalenzia scandal made Italy too hot for him.

So - all that to say, it could work, but it needs a clear awareness of who is responsible for what - and a deference to hierarchy.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Johan Lange:

• Academy
• Scouting
• Performance analysis
• Football insights

Fabio Paratici:

• Transfer windows
• Players
• Loan and pathways department

Both will come together for squad planning and player recommendations.
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I think Paratici and Frank are close, and enjoy working together. Whereas Lange and Vini are more aligned. Paratici sits a bit more outside of the club (probably working a lot of the time from Italy), keeping his ear to the ground and able to bring more market info from Spain and Italy.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Well. it very well could end up an ego-driven disaster, but I wouldn't be that sure about it. The thing is, this is not uncommon in the environment Paratici knows best, i.e, Italy. He himself played the 'Lange role', for lack of a better term, at Sampdoria and Juventus - working on the scouting and player identification while acting as a protege to Beppe Marotta, who made the main decisions on whom to bring in and for how much.

Not like it was particularly short-lived, either. Paratici was Marotta's protege and second-in-command for something like 14 years, from the mid-2000s through to 2018 when he took over the role.

But, the key is that there has to be an awareness of roles and responsibilities - Paratici found the players and set deals up, but Marotta decided which ones were worth pursuing, and closed on them accordingly. There's a clear hierarchy there, which is why it worked.

It fell apart when Paratici started trying to bypass Marotta by currying favor with Juventus's owners, the Agnellis - the Ronaldo deal was the trigger for Marotta leaving, as he felt Paratici had undermined him by working with Andrea Agnelli to get that deal done, while he himself had been against it.

Marotta subsequently went to Inter and revitalized them, Paratici fumbled at Juventus and then joined us as the plusvalenzia scandal made Italy too hot for him.

So - all that to say, it could work, but it needs a clear awareness of who is responsible for what - and a deference to hierarchy.
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But what you've described is exactly what typically happens. To start off with everything seems all rosy, but inevitably two people in high positions with the same role do not remain in sync and a power struggle begins. Of course we hope this doesn't happen here, but the most realistic question is how long before such a scenario happens....
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Johan Lange:

• Academy
• Scouting
• Performance analysis
• Football insights

Fabio Paratici:

• Transfer windows
• Players
• Loan and pathways department

Both will come together for squad planning and player recommendations.
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That's how I heard it too. Think they made it quite clear that they would have quite different responsibilities. It's becoming more and more common to have 2 "sporting directors" as the role has expanded a lot, and it's simply too much for one person to do. I see no issues with that.
 
harr1984 said:
But what you've described is exactly what typically happens. To start off with everything seems all rosy, but inevitably two people in high positions with the same role do not remain in sync and a power struggle begins. Of course we hope this doesn't happen here, but the most realistic question is how long before such a scenario happens....
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Right, sure, but it took 18 years for that to happen in Paratici's case - I don't think any of us would care if Lange usurped Paratici 18 years from now. Especially if in the interval, we achieve the things Paratici + Marotta did at Sampdoria and Juventus, which were absolutely stunning.

Nothing lasts forever, so the question in my mind is if the natural tension in having two roles can be managed for enough time for it to show results.
 
Kandi1977 said:
That's how I heard it too. Think they made it quite clear that they would have quite different responsibilities. It's becoming more and more common to have 2 "sporting directors" as the role has expanded a lot, and it's simply too much for one person to do. I see no issues with that.
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It's sort of much of a muchness - in England, what today is called a 'technical director' (which Lange functionally still is, promotion aside), would generally have been called a Chief Scout in the old days. What's changed has (as I've heard it) a general decrease in clubs having teams of 'in-house' scouts, in favor of contracting access to global scouting databases and then having in-house analysts run the numbers to find the best fits, plus sending some more 'traditional' scouts where needed for the eye-test.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Right, sure, but it took 18 years for that to happen in Paratici's case - I don't think any of us would care if Lange usurped Paratici 18 years from now. Especially if in the interval, we achieve the things Paratici + Marotta did at Sampdoria and Juventus, which were absolutely stunning.

Nothing lasts forever, so the question in my mind is if the natural tension in having two roles can be managed for enough time for it to show results.
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Oh agree, didn't realise it had lasted 18 years :D. Of course it's all speculation at this stage positive or negative, lets see how it goes :)....
 
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