milo
Jack L. Jones
Yes but which managers has he ever sacked who have the support of the fans?
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Daniel Levy - Chairman
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Yes but which managers has he ever sacked who have the support of the fans?
Jol.
milo
Jack L. Jones
There was plenty of muttering against Jol in his final full season. Levy's biggest mistake with him was being indecisive, he should have gone in the summer or been backed for another season.
The Saudi Sportswashing Machine speculation took place in the first few weeks of his final season I thought no?
As far as I remember he lead us to 5th and we were all quite content. The singing at the Getafe game backs that up surely? Unless my memory is playing tricks which is entirely possible!
Those that still complain about it are mostly doing it because they think he was a decent bloke. He was a really average manager, that much like Redknapp doesn't have a clue, but relies on individual players.
I will agree with you based on the amount of late goals we conceded in his first season. Easily lost 20+ points in the last minute/injury time.
milo
Jack L. Jones
There was some discontent about how we got knocked out of Europe and that we were not pushing on. My recollection is that fans were split between him having taken us as far as he could and wanting him to be given another year. There was more or less unanimous agreement that our public pursuit of Ramos was undignified and that Jol deserved better than to be the last man to know that he had lost his job.
There were some obvious flaws to our game and they only got worse in his time here. He had ample time to try and fix them.
Quite impressive how he fudged up Fulham as well.
Baleforce
Les Bennett
I think a better question would be, which managers has he ever sacked whilst they were doing an undeniably good job?
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
jabbathehut
Luke Young
You can see how well Jol has done since he left us ,that whilst he did ok at the beginning he wasn't really up to the job in the long run.It did end shamefully though.I for one have no issue with the managers he got rid of.Ramos and AVB should never have been appointed in the first place and Redknapp made his postion untenable.
Disagree about Ramos. Back to back UEFA Cups with Sevilla and a glowing reputation.
mudshark
Chris Armstrong
My opinion. I'd have punched Levy's face into a sloppy pulp and cheerfully have taken any consequence going that autumn, watching him and that fat сunt, Kemsley sniggering in their padded seats. Shameful behaviour, and I still haven't forgiven.
milo
Jack L. Jones
I would have given him another season too. I can't defend his actions in this episode, it was embarrassing spivery of the highest order.
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
I think jol was very unlucky. First food poisoning then he lost his best midfielder in Michael Carrick and failed to replace him. I have very fond memories of that 05/06 season except the last game. Shame it wasn't him leading us into the champions league rather than redknapp.
Finney Is Back
Andy Thompson
Jol dragged us up from being a (lower) midtable club to a club regularly in Europe and on the verge of CL qualification. Rednkapp actually got us into the Champions League (and also got us another 4th place finish on top of that). They are the two best managers we have had since the start of Premier League football.
StephenH
David Ginola
Jol was the in at the start of Enics grand plan for Spurs. Managers IMO are just like bus drivers, but the bus needs to be mechanicaly sound and maintained well enough to complete the journey.
Get resonable players in and have the structure in place to take the club forward then most competent 'managers' should be able to do a job.
Jol was no big deal as manager - Harry was good with players - AVB ?? - Tim, was Harry lite - Poch a competent organiser.
Mangers just part of a very big jigsaw. Just my opinion.
I think Levy comes in for some unfair criticism over this.
It wasn't Levy or Spurs who made this public - it was press speculation (or some hack claiming to have seen people meeting in a hotel), which Ramos then confirmed by gobbing off about the dizzying offer he had received.
Spurs make a legitimate bid in private, only for the other party to go public on it - sound familiar?
Once Ramos had said that, then what could Levy do? The way it then had to play out was really unfortunate for Jol, but that was not Levy's fault - other parties had revealed our intentions.
Whether Levy was right to be firing Jol is debatable, but either way, he was doing the right thing in lining up Jol's replacement before dismissing him - there are plenty who would have slaughtered him if he'd fired Jol without a plan. The Getafe fiasco was certainly avoidable, and that was clumsy by Levy for sure - but again it was fuelled by rumour and / or someone leaking it.
Similarly with the Berahino saga.
People talk about Levy meeting his negotiation- match with that tw@t Peace, but there was only one person negotiating, all Peace was doing was saying no...anyone can do that.
That's not negotiation, which is about primarily reaching a satisfactory outcome for yourself (and secondarily a win-win).
What Peace has now done is p1ss off and alienate his biggest asset (and Pulis) and create a rift in the dressing room.
He now has to pay Berahino a sh1t load more money to stay or accept less money for him in January...either way it costs him and his club, the club he had been trying and failing to sell by the way.
Levy has done nothing wrong in my view...he just bid for Berahino, in private, following the rules.
With Ramos, Levy threw money at it to blow them out of the water.
With Berahino he upped his bids gradually, in order to find the optimum price.
Both ways he gets stick.
Finney Is Back
Andy Thompson
Jol may well have been "lucky" but he was also the sort of manger we needed at that time. He trusted the young players and got us playing with a verve and swagger that had been missing for a number of years.
Harry did well with good players, but again, he brought in some of those players and he got the ones that we already had playing to the best of their ability. Redknapp inherited a team who had lost it's two best players in Berbatov and Keane and had a low morale, he turned it around quickly and effectively. It was Harry who allowed King to not train and just turn up on Friday and decide whether or not he felt fit to play – which other managers would’ve allowed that?... It was Harry who realised we were incredibly weak centred with no characters in the dressing room and addressed it. It was Harry who allowed Modric to find his feet in a wider midfield position and gradually moved him to the centre. It was Harry who was bold enough to get us playing with two forwards, two wingers and only a single defensive midfield player.
As I said before Harry and Jol our best two in the PL era. Sherwood probably 3rd as he made something out of AVB's mess.
StephenH
David Ginola
I think we saw a change in EPL transfer window this summer with LVG and Rodgers paying top top prices for EPL based player. Liverpool paid £32m+ for Benteke and Man U have been throwing money around like confetti - I think the like of WBA's Peace though I want that sort of figure for my striker!
You can't blame them wanting the best price for their players but Spurs are not Man U/Liverpool. Also Levy will always walk away if the deal is not right.
Having learned a tough lesson over the Bale money.
Maybe in the long haul the waste of money like with Lamela will be a very expensive but good lesson learned and stand us in good stead for the future.
You can't blame them wanting the best price for their players but Spurs are not Man U/Liverpool. Also Levy will always walk away if the deal is not right.
Having learned a tough lesson over the Bale money.
Maybe in the long haul the waste of money like with Lamela will be a very expensive but good lesson learned and stand us in good stead for the future.