Ange in or out?

[Silly McSilly Face]

Meh, it wasn't even about the city game. The season is 38 games long. If you do your job it doesn't boil down to a single match. There were plenty of games in the run on that we lost that with a different result would have we never even needed to win the City match. We lost half of our last 12 matches last season.

Precisely. The negative feeling to the end of last season wasn't about us thinking finishing 5th per se was a disappointment, it was the fact that our form went down the toilet and if we'd even shown half the form we did in the earlier part of the season, we'd have finished comfortably top 4. And to be honest we've been on a downwards trajectory ever since *that* Chelsea match. And the thing is it was basically Chelsea that exposed how easy it was to take Ange's team apart and every single team has followed the same blue print since with, frankly, devastating results.

 

[thfcsteff]

Precisely. The negative feeling to the end of last season wasn't about us thinking finishing 5th per se was a disappointment, it was the fact that our form went down the toilet and if we'd even shown half the form we did in the earlier part of the season, we'd have finished comfortably top 4. And to be honest we've been on a downwards trajectory ever since *that* Chelsea match. And the thing is it was basically Chelsea that exposed how easy it was to take Ange's team apart and every single team has followed the same blue print since with, frankly, devastating results.

I'd love to see the stats on how many times Romero and VdV played together since that match...

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I'd love to see the stats on how many times Romero and VdV played together since that match...

It’s not a lot
But also when they do play it ain’t pretty mate
It’s almost like watching dumb and dumber
At least a while ago they took charge but now they seem to not even talk
That’s not saying they weren’t very good vs Frankfurt but in other games they have operated like they dint know each other
If other players had been as bad as them the noise would have been massive

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Precisely. The negative feeling to the end of last season wasn't about us thinking finishing 5th per se was a disappointment, it was the fact that our form went down the toilet and if we'd even shown half the form we did in the earlier part of the season, we'd have finished comfortably top 4. And to be honest we've been on a downwards trajectory ever since *that* Chelsea match. And the thing is it was basically Chelsea that exposed how easy it was to take Ange's team apart and every single team has followed the same blue print since with, frankly, devastating results.

That Chelsea match was the the one we ended up with 9 men you mean?
We were the better side in that game even with less men
We exposed them as they couldnt work out how to eat the high line. In the end our numbers went against us but we still had great chances to get a result. That game was not a turning point

 

[Baleforce]

That Chelsea match was the the one we ended up with 9 men you mean?
We were the better side in that game even with less men
We exposed them as they couldnt work out how to eat the high line. In the end our numbers went against us but we still had great chances to get a result. That game was not a turning point

it was on the form table

 

[Bedfordspurs]

it was on the form table

Nothing to do with us being found out
Was a loss and an unlucky one
That can happen but nothing to do with them playing a certain way and much much more to do with us losing 2 players and injuries
That’s football

 

[SteveAWOL]

I'd love to see the stats on how many times Romero and VdV played together since that match...

FWIW… our PL record since then when both have been on the pitch at the same time is:

Won 11 Drawn 3 Lost 12

Micky van de Ven - Games played together with Cristian Romero

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

 

[Baleforce]

Nothing to do with us being found out
Was a loss and an unlucky one
That can happen but nothing to do with them playing a certain way and much much more to do with us losing 2 players and injuries
That’s football

yes, but normally in football, in those situations, you react pragmatically and go defensive, dig in, try and keep the score down

we didn't do that, and we've rarely done it since

in pro sport you have to play a numbers game

 

[Bedfordspurs]

yes, but normally in football, in those situations, you react pragmatically and go defensive, dig in, try and keep the score down

we didn't do that, and we've rarely done it since

in pro sport you have to play a numbers game

But that’s bit what he was saying
So read the thread first
That game was not one we were tactically outdone in or one that set a way to beat us
Other games were

 

[Bedfordspurs]

FWIW… our PL record since then when both have been on the pitch at the same time is:

Won 11 Drawn 3 Lost 12

Micky van de Ven - Games played together with Cristian Romero

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

Was much better until they started acting like each other stunk and avoided communicating

 

[Baleforce]

But that’s bit what he was saying
So read the thread first
That game was not one we were tactically outdone in or one that set a way to beat us
Other games were

the point is, he didn't do the right thing

 

[monkeybarry]

I like that interview:

He's talking a bit of bollox in this interview. Not sure if I like it or not.

3 games to become a hero that you probably never liked? A bit like Hangman in Tom Gun: Maverick.

Ange Postecoglou questions why Tottenham Hotspur finishing fifth last season was seen as a 'disaster'

Spurs manager Ange Postecoglou has hit out at perceived double standards amid what he called hysteria regarding their recent poor form.

www.skysports.com

"I'm trying to do something a bit different here. Some of it hasn't quite worked out; some of it has gone disasterously wrong."

I've not heard that from him before.
Talking about no room to let something different take shape - yeah, look at the table mate.
Not trying and bemoan the narrative around finishing 5th last and then not mentioned it'll be 15th this year.

If he wins the EL, the question is simple:
How are you going to ensure we don't lose 18+ games next season.

He might get ten games of next season to show this season was a combination of injuries, a blip and a new era teething problems.
That said, I think his demeanor is that he's leaving - possibly of his own accord with an EL win (and then piggy backing off the coattails of any future success we have)

 

[tommysvr]

People getting wounded up by press conferences again!

 

[thfcsteff]

It’s not a lot
But also when they do play it ain’t pretty mate
It’s almost like watching dumb and dumber
At least a while ago they took charge but now they seem to not even talk
That’s not saying they weren’t very good vs Frankfurt but in other games they have operated like they dint know each other
If other players had been as bad as them the noise would have been massive

I get that it has not been great, however what I'm getting at is the first blows came when that back four were broken up by injury/suspension and the immediate midfield beyond them was also decimated by suspension/injuries i.e. 'that' Chelsea match. That good old friend Hindsight shows how much damage control Hojberg did last season when the likes of Biss and Bents were either losing it/on international duty/injured.

 

[thfcsteff]

I like that interview:

"I'm trying to do something a bit different here. Some of it hasn't quite worked out; some of it has gone disasterously wrong."

I've not heard that from him before.
Talking about no room to let something different take shape - yeah, look at the table mate.
Not trying and bemoan the narrative around finishing 5th last and then not mentioned it'll be 15th this year.

If he wins the EL, the question is simple:
How are you going to ensure we don't lose 18+ games next season.

He might get ten games of next season to show this season was a combination of injuries, a blip and a new era teething problems.
That said, I think his demeanor is that he's leaving - possibly of his own accord with an EL win (and then piggy backing off the coattails of any future success we have)

I think the answer is he won't be here anyway.

 

[thfcsteff]

FWIW… our PL record since then when both have been on the pitch at the same time is:

Won 11 Drawn 3 Lost 12

Micky van de Ven - Games played together with Cristian Romero

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

Thanks, very interesting.

It shows that they're not a panacea unless the Porro/Udogie/Vicario factor is also in place. I think it's fair for people to question the validity and liklihood of any side having their first choice back four and keeper fit all season, so not something we should rely a whole system on without ready-made replacements which we clearly did not/do not have.

 

[thfcsteff]

yes, but normally in football, in those situations, you react pragmatically and go defensive, dig in, try and keep the score down

we didn't do that, and we've rarely done it since

in pro sport you have to play a numbers game

I think more than any single match, this was the one which told us who he was and what he was going to do. From that point on you either bought in or opted out. But he was always transparent. He is, in that sense, a very honest manager.

 

[tommysvr]

I think more than any single match, this was the one which told us who he was and what he was going to do. From that point on you either bought in or opted out. But he was always transparent. He is, in that sense, a very honest manager.

The fact the team got a standing ovation despite losing 4-1 to Chelsea says to me that the most fans opted in. Then we spent a few months singing “and through it all, we’ll play the way we want to.”

 

[thfcsteff]

The fact the team got a standing ovation despite losing 4-1 to Chelsea says to me that the most fans opted in. Then we spent a few months singing “and through it all, we’ll play the way we want to.”

I agree.
And I was 110% on board. Moments make seasons. Dier was offside by the thread of jersey sleeve when he smashed home what would've been a brilliant equalizer. It would have had us at 2-2 entering stoppage time and given us somne major momentum. It might also have seen Dier taken seriously by some of our, errr, 'wise supporters'...instead, well, we saw what happened...Postecoglu has had absolutely no luck whatsoever. I think Bissouma's behaviour/conduct around that time and just before AFCON was terrible too...

 

[Mrs Vert]

I rarely comment on pressers but that really was such a self indulgent one from Ange. He repeatedly fails to take responsibility for any of the issues this season while at the same time emphasises the relative "success" in the cups.

I don't get his comments around "finishing 5th being talked about as a disaster" last season. I think fans were understandably disappointed with the way the season ended given it had started with such promise and ended with a relative whimper. But most, including myself, felt it gave us something to build on. I am glad he was kind of called out on it by the reporter. Oh and newsflash Ange, it was your team selection and tactics that lost the City game last season. That was not on the fans.

He claims to be railing against the negative narrative around the club. While failing to acknowledge that the way you change that, is not just to talk about it but to win games consistently. There is an undeserved arrogance about him in the presser. If he does win the Europa League, it will be like the League season never happened in his head. He'll say "that was the plan all along, looks my system worked.'

The stone cutter analogy particularly emphasised that arrogance. I mean it must take meticulous preparation for his defence to be as bad as it was against Forest when your first choice CBs are playing and yet suggest that the players will eventually get there. I honestly cannot wait for him to be gone.

His delusion really is remarkable, I only saw 2min clip of his talk and had enough of it.

There is a clip going round of Rom and Porro practicing high line before forest game I think....ball over top and they weren't even getting the timing right......