I am probably doing him a disservice you're right. But the fundamental point about Moyes is that every Moyes team just gets those basics nailed down and that takes his team so far. As far as the quality of player available to him I guess. That Everton team was really solid and had a 17 year old Wayne Rooney in it doing the magic.
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Ange in or out?
- Thread starter Yiddo
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Have you watched us play recently?
Son is having a slow season and isn't as good as he has been, but to compare a guy who is in our top five scorers in the EPL era to a 17 year old who is about to burst onto the scene is pretty weird. Son has 14 goal involvements (8 goals, 6 assists) so far this season. Moore would love those kind of stats - and will I think get them one day, but its not accurate to state that Moore is better than Son at this stage. Their trajectories are opposite, but that is to be expected.
So he won a pointless contest that nobody gives a fudge about with a pointless team that nobody gives a fudge about?
Sounds like a par score to me.
Mate they've made up a new competition with the dregs of European football in it - id give it a while to see how often a PL team wins that before using it as some kind of marker.
And Cahill, and Pienaar (who did actually show up for Everton) and Barkley and Fellaini and Coleman and Baines. He had some good players and they were more than a group of hard workers.
would you say that if we won it to break our losing sequence?
I don’t think it’s just about the quality of the squad. I think it’s about the extra fatigue caused by lack of rotation, and Ange’s system demanding high energy that the players don’t have. I appreciate some think he should adapt his system, but I can understand his rationale for persisting with it for long term gain.
I also totally understand anyone who wants him sacked at this point - a very fair opinion!
monkeybarry
Tom Huddlestone
And then said the players struggled to adapt to the change.
(But also didn't think to change it when it was going wrong. But it was all the players fault. The only 11 fit players)
Daveeeeeeeed
Gordon Durie
Coooooor that's a tough one. There have been so many this season but probably pops it.
1. Palace
2. Ipswich
3. Saudi Sportswashing Machine away
4. Bournemouth away
5. Liverpool home
6. Chelsea home
7. Bournemouth away
8. Everton
9. Brighton away (second half)
The rest games we lost we were meh but it's 12 now in the league. Id say Saudi Sportswashing Machine home we deserved to win, Arsenal at home I can't recall wasn't it a boring game, oh and arsenal away was pretty shocking tbf.
We deserved to lose in all of those listed above because we played like utter utter clams, that's down to Ange's tactics.
monkeybarry
Tom Huddlestone
Is the fish injured?
(I really want to make a joke about scaling new heights, but I can't think of one)
SteveAWOL
Paul Stewart
The gaffer could’ve picked Richarlison, Werner or Maddison in Son’s place though.
None on them quite have Son’s pedigree but against a Palace team who’d only picked up 3 points from 8 games one would hope that the players we had available that day could have picked up a draw at the very least.
Robspur12
Frederic Kanoute
He won Ligue 1, the French Cup and their equivalent of the charity shield. He also took them to the CL Semi final in his first season, the first time for any manager since the current owners took over. He was only there for 13/4 seasons. It showed he could get over the line and win things. They are an absolute basket case of a club.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Has he gone yet? Did Levy just make the coach leave when he was still in the queue at KFC at Leicester Forest East?
Yep. We already won the Audi cup against significantly stronger opposition.
I'd hold this in less esteem.
Robspur12
Frederic Kanoute
Coventry FA cup and Tamworth FA cup.
different point now - we were talking about best team - but yes we should have beaten Palace, and a good few others as well who were there for the taking. We're a young team that until the last few weeks I thought was just inconsistent. Now I am still a fan of the manager but I am putting some of our shortcomings at his door. I would 1000% not have changed formation today. That is what Stellini did 18 months ago against Saudi Sportswashing Machine and it cost him his job. Ange is going to be lucky to come through this phase now.
But he doesn't use options available to him though. Lankshear would have been a far more suitable type of player for his system. Richarlison even if rusty could have started and been brought off earlier. Spence wasn't given a chance until he was forced to play him. There have been options available to him, to not play Son or Werner up front. We look very poor whenever we do but he'd rather play an experienced player out of position than use a more suitable young player.
The other thing is that we've had insane injuries two seasons in a road. They were bad last season and derailed the campaign after 10 games. They've been worse this season. And as players are coming back we are losing more. Thus is not normal and you read up on it and he's had injury problens at every club he's managed. He's generally been able to work with the medical and physio staff to iron them out but with the best will in the world the Scottish or Japanese leagues are nowhere near as intense physically.
I just do nor think this style of training and playing is sustainable at the elite level. The games are too intense, there are too many of them and there's just not enough recovery time. Players bodies are breaking.
I'm not counting that charity shield nonsense. It means nothing here so it means nothing there.
He won one league and one cup. Phrased another way, that means he lost one league and three cups with the only team in the league.
That's pretty fudging shocking.
I don't necessarily hold those against a manager - you rotate in the cup early rounds v weaker opposition - sometimes it doesn't pay off